According to Berger... Blazer trades depend on Roy

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  1. MIXUM

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    god our front office is awful. how about fix holes, retool instead of blowing up cause of 1 player. They have no clue about roy now and wont in february either... therefore will likely made a bad choice anyway. we are so fucked. the next kings/twolves.... the portland trailblazers. GAG!

    Berger: Brandon Roy's Health Dictating Whether Blazers Go Younger
    Ken Berger of CBSSports.com has updates on a few recent Portland Trail Blazers rumors.

    He shoots down the Blazers point guard Andre Miller to the Charlotte Bobcats rumor. He confirms that Blazers center Marcus Camby isn't interested in being traded, but adds that Camby wouldn't mind a return to the New York Knicks. He also writes that Portland's decision-making before the trade deadline is being guided in large part by the health of guard Brandon Roy.
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    Exploratory trade talks the Trail Blazers are involved in on multiple fronts hinge on what decision is made with regard to Brandon Roy's short- and long-term health. Team officials already have engaged in internal discussions about trading older players such as Marcus Camby, Andre Miller and Joel Przybilla. Such an avenue would seem to be more likely if it's decided that Roy will miss significantly more than the six games he just sat out due to a bone-on-bone condition in both knees.
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    That isn't how I read it, that they're considering blowing it up due to Roy. They're considering trying to make a playoff run if Roy won't miss significant time, and trade the veteran players if he will.
     
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    by blowing it up .... we suck for 5 years minimum.

    therefore regardless of roys healthy.... not the answer
     
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    As I said, I didn't see any mention of blowing it up in that blurb.

    That said, I agree that a true "blow up" (firesale of anyone tradeable) is a bad idea.
     
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    lets hope the front office agrees.
     
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    Interesting. I think the Blazers may not know much more by February, but they'll have hd more time to deal with the "new Brandon" reality.

    I think the key is really - whom do the Blazers want to trade with one or more of their expiring contracts: Batum, Rudy, Matthews, Aldridge? Oden and Roy are untradeable, and I don't see a ton of market value in the likes of Mills, Johnson, Cunningham, and Babbitt.

    Rudy is playing well, but I think word around the NBA is that he'll bolt for Spain, rather than re-sign at anything less than a perfect situation. Batum is not playing well, but he's got lots of talent, upside, and no issues (like Rudy's). Matthews and Aldridge are both overpaid, but in the right deal, could be attractive. I'd probably look to move Rudy first (probably with Joel for a young big), and if that couldn't pan out, then look at trading Batum.
     
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    In this case, "blowing up" and standing pat have the same consequence.
     
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    And this is why we suck. Nothing, and I mean nothing this team does ersonel wise should depend on anything Prima Royya says or does
     
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    It seems obvious that Roy's injury status is going to be considered in any potential Blazer trade.

    Not considering the injury status of your max-contract player when trying to improve your roster would be grossly incompetent, wouldn't it?
     
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    Really? Roy's health/effectiveness in the future shouldn't be considered when trying to improve the team? Thank God you're not running the team.
     
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    We come across a real problem when we talk about "blowing it up".

    Personally, I don't think trading Miller and Joel and Camby for younger players and/or picks is "blowing it up". Would it hose our playoff chances this season? Almost certainly. Next year? Perhaps, but probably not.

    The next FIVE years? No. Those three guys would be long gone within five years, while the assets we receive for them in trade this year would be in a position to help us.

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    I think the point is to acquire young talent in return for the old guys, not to trade young talent.

    Presumably, the trading partner is looking for veteran talent to get them over the hump in the playoffs. We get back a young guy and a crappy contract.

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    Yeah... I don't get that, either.

    I don't think his personality or personal wishes should be much of a factor, but (as Minstrel articulated) whether he's able to contribute this year can (and SHOULD) impact whether the team should make a push to improve our chances for the playoffs this year or punt on this season and stock up for the future...

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    We just went through six years of rebuilding, as a fan and season ticket holder, I'm not interested in that again for a while.
     
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    It should, and it has. Several doctors have said he will never be the same, so move on and improve the team around LA
     
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    I would think that that having all the facts about your franchise player would be kind of important before making major trades. How is rushing into it going to help this bad situation.

    And Mixum what is your fixation on "Blowing Up". You seem to keep quoting it, but the Blazers make no mention of it.
     
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    Trading Miller, Camby, and Joel isn't "blowing it up". It would make us significantly less experienced, and I think we would win less games because of it, but this team is borderline playoffs right now anyway, so I'm not really concerned about the present.
     
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    Nor do the fans. Every team must continually 'retool.' We need to replace aging equipment with newer equipment before it becomes useless. Miller, Camby and Joel will all be gone within 3 years, max, and probably 2 years. If we can get something for them this year, next year, or during the off-season, we have to pull the trigger the moment the right deal comes along.

    As for not wanting to go through another five or six years of 'rebuilding,' the way the team is currently constructed, doing nothing would be worse.
     
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    If you aren't contending, you should be rebuilding. The question is whether you can rebuild on the fly, or have to execute a full teardown.

    The last time we did a full teardown, Rasheed was our best player and had worn out his welcome. Our second best player was probably Bonzi Wells. Pippen was ancient, and Damon was more useless than ever. Zach Randolph was our only real ray of hope.

    Right now our best player (Aldridge) only seems to be getting better. Our new power guard (Matthews) has most of Bonzi's best traits plus better defense and a better jumper and a hell of a lot better attitude. We've got several pretty decent younger guys you could keep or trade (Batum, Johnson, Fernandez). So really we're talking about trading the Pippen/Stoudamires of this team. Except the current versions (Miller/Camby/Przybilla) have a lot more gas in the tank than the old ones.

    I don't see a 21 win season full teardown happening, barring a catastrophic injury to Aldridge. With Oden in the wings and multiple pretty tradeable assets, we should be able to rebuild on the fly pretty effectively.
     
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    Can you please post the medical reports? Or are you saying the doctors that diagnosed Roy over the radio have said that?

    I am putting your view of the situation under, "big move coming soon" status until further information is known.
     

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