<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">Fighting in Islam...</span>2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.2.192. Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear Allah and remain conscious that Allah is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">To the Haters of the Quran</span> Even if a Quran caused mountains to move, the earth to tear asunder or the dead to speak, the disbelievers would not believe. The believers would better give up and realize that if God willed, He could have guided all mankind. (13:31)When God substitutes one revelation in place of another, the disbelievers conclude without knowing that the Quran is a human's work. But whether they believe it or not, it is the Holy Spirit who has brought it down from the almighty, truthfully, to provide good news for the submitters. (16:101-102)If it's a human fabrication. Then why do they not produce ten chapters fabricated and call on everyone they can beside God, if they tell the truth. (11:13)Even when the disbelievers accept to follow the Quran, they accept it only partially. Surly God will question them about what they have been doing. (15:91)They ask, " Why has not the Quran been revealed to the prophet all at once?" But the Most wise wanted to release it to his prophet gradually, in order to fix it in his memory and to strengthen his heart with it. (25:32)Some disbelievers never listen to the Quran and try to distort it, that they may win. God will certainly afflict them with a severe retribution for their evil works. (41:26-27)Some people were wondering why it was not sent down through another man who was prominent. In fact God knows where to assign his mercy better than them. (43:31-32)The Quran is a decisive statement. It is no Joke. It shouldn't be taken lightly. The disbelievers plot and scheme, and so does God. He just puts up with them for a short respite. (86:13-17)The only religion approved by God is "Submission." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of God's revelations, God is most strict in reckoning. (3:19)
[quote name='ReppinTheD' post='92506' date='Jun 17 2006, 03:55 AM']Ok - put this whole argument to the side and look at the real fact(s):Muslim's can NOT kill, or harm any innocent person - those who do are simply NOT Muslim! This is FACT!Those terrorists (in Iraq for example) who claim that they are killing for the sake of their religion or their "Jihad" are totally wrong - they are simply killing because they believe that they are the enemies. They are NOT Muslim.also a FACT!Most importantly: the religion of Islam does not preach hate, or violence! FACT![/quote] Yes, the Quran preaches violence against non-believers. I honestly don't care about this because most muslims are good, but can't deny this.
oh and btw... doe sthis mean that all christians are crazy satan worshippers like her? This opnion stated by the lady is of a church...http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2686.htmlyea so after listening to that one christian - all christians to me are crazy like that , I mean how can you even do that? How can you further attack the families of deceased soldiers like that? that's evil...wow all christians are evil!
They are not Christians or from a real church, it's ONE FAMILY who has it's own little church...it's a group of 20 or so people.
It may be a family who started this, but it has christian believers - it's a growing belief with a church and followers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It may be a family who started this, but it has christian believers - it's a growing belief with a church and followers.</div> How is it a growing belief? What proof do you have.
Because it started off with a family, and now the number of believers has gotten a lot larger - and I know it's more than 20 people, it's a church, a church can't consist of only 20 people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because it started off with a family, and now the number of believes has gotten a lot larger - and I know it's more than 20 people, it's a church, a church can't consist of only 20 people.</div> Your wrong, it's still a small family church of 20 people, they get death threats not people agreeing with them, it's just a small family gathering. They interviewed the lead women on Sean Hannity and she talked about it. You stating that it's a growing group and that people are joining is just a sick lie. What proof do you have that the group is getting larger?
Also, Im not in a position to comment on the cutout phrases of the Quran - but I know for sure that you can't interpret anything by just reading a paragraph or a line. This is for anything.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, Im not in a position to comment on the cutout phrases of the Quran - but I know for sure that you can't interpret anything by just reading a paragraph or a line. This is for anything.</div> Figures...apparently 'death to non-believers' can be interpreted differently. Oh, and I would like to know where you got your information on that family church group growing...seems like you just made it up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 17 2006, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your wrong, it's still a small family church of 20 people, they get death threats not people agreeing with them, it's just a small family gathering. They interviewed the lead women on Sean Hannity and she talked about it. You stating that it's a growing group and that people are joining is just a sick lie. What proof do you have that the group is getting larger?</div>I have no proof of it getting bigger, but I'm sure that because of the national coverage this church has gotten, that some insane person has looked it up and actually beleives in this - there are crazy people in the world...regradless, I was obviously just trying to prove a point that you can't judge a religion off of one small group; like BigMo said, only 5% of Muslims believe in this horribly twisted version of "Islam" - that is a very very very small ratio of people compared to the number of Muslims in the world. (Islam is the 2nd biggest religon, and the fastest growing religion)Again - I know that Christians aren't really like that lady's church...i was just trying to prove a point - also I am sure there are a bunch of different crazy separations of Christianity that dont agree with the mainstreem version of christianity...again my point is, you can't judge a religion by a small group of people who only distort Islam.
But Islam's wackos represent a much larger percentage of the faith, I mean you have whole countries teaching these extremist views and you have millions of these extremists, I don't even know of any extremist Christian groups that use violence but comparing Islam's wacko percentage to Christianity's wacko percentage is a joke. We have crazy seperatist groups but they are VERY low in number and never bomb or kill people while you have hundreds of thousands of islamic extremists. I'm just saying, Islam TONS more wacko's because the language in the Quran supports what they are doing, no vioence references or calls to kill non-believers in the bible.
5% of Muslims being terrorist is like 5% of your food being filled with dog crap. Would you eat that?And of course such a percentage will stay low if those that comprise the percentage are consistently suicide bombing.
Ok, before I say this, I'll go by your facts for now. Although I really don't know what the history about Christian extemists is. I had some groups in mind, but I wasn't 100% sure: ex. KKK were a fundamentalist Christian group who obviously murdered many people, Hitler's regime was huge and although it wasn't a church or anything it still was mass murder by German Christians who believed that anything but White, blonde, blue-eyed people were un-pure . We all know what happened there. Again I'm not 100% sure of this stuff.Now back to what you were saying - so you admit that there are wackos on both sides, does that mean that Islam is a bad religion that teaches hate or voilence - no; because just like the Christian wackos - Christianity is not a bad religion that teaches hate or voilence. Also, no country teaches Islam because there are no more true Islamic countries anymore - Saudi Arabia claimes to be, but they don't really follow it - and even with that, Saudi Arabia isn't a terrorist country.This argument has gone on a wierd tangent - but we both have to awknowledge that no religion teaches hate or voilence it is the people who distort the ideas, so we should blame those people, not the religion for the atrocities going around.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, before I say this, I'll go by your facts for now. Although I really don't know what the history about Christian extemists is. I had some groups in mind, but I wasn't 100% sure: ex. KKK were a fundamentalist Christian group who obviously murdered many people, Hitler's regime was huge and although it wasn't a church or anything it still was mass murder by German Christians who believed that anything but White, blonde, blue-eyed people were un-pure . We all know what happened there. Again I'm not 100% sure of this stuff.Now back to what you were saying - so you admit that there are wackos on both sides, does that mean that Islam is a bad religion that teaches hate or voilence - no; because just like the Christian wackos - Christianity is not a bad religion that teaches hate or voilence. Also, no country teaches Islam because there are no more true Islamic countries anymore - Saudi Arabia claimes to be, but they don't really follow it - and even with that, Saudi Arabia isn't a terrorist country.This argument has gone on a wierd tangent - but we both have to awknowledge that no religion teaches hate or voilence it is the people who distort the ideas, so we should blame those people, not the religion for the atrocities going around.</div> The Nazi's were not killing Jews because it told them to in the bible, Hitler never quoted the bible or followed the bible, they were brainwashed fools but calling them a religious group or having to do with religion is ridiculous. Saudi Arabia teaches Wahabbi, their is a reason so many terrorists come from there.
I know Hitler didn't take stuff from the bible - but in todays day, he is considred a terrorist - and he was a chrisitan. Also, he brainwashed people, alot of terrorists are brainwashed into following this very distorted view of Islam.and how about the KKK?Saudi Arabia does not teach Wahabbi? They used to - not any more, and most terrorists dont come from saudi arabia - name a couple...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know Hitler didn't take stuff from the bible - but in todays day, he is considred a terrorist - and he was a chrisitan. Also, he brainwashed people, alot of terrorists are brainwashed into following this very distorted view of Islam.and how about the KKK?Saudi Arabia does not teach Wahabbi? They used to - not any more, and most terrorists dont come from saudi arabia - name a couple...</div> Christianity had nothing to do with Nazism, your whole point makes no sense. Name a few Saudi terrorists? Usama Bin Laden, 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers, 2 of the recent suicides in Guantanimo Bay were Saudi's. Saudi's on FBI's Top Terrorist list.ALI SAED BIN ALI EL-HOORIEIBRAHIM SALIH MOHAMMED AL-YACOUBSAIF AL-ADELAHMAD IBRAHIM AL-MUGHASSILABDELKARIM HUSSEIN MOHAMED AL-NASSER Not to mention countless thousands of Saudi's we have killed in Iraq...Saudi Arabia is a terrorist breeding ground.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 05:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and the KKK?</div> Had nothing to do with the bible or Christianity....
omg no way - the KKK's roots are their christian beliefs:http://www.kkk.bz/index1.htm in the faq answers they mention the bible and christianity in most of their answers...I wish I had more knowledge about this because Iknow some of this stuff did happen.also - what about the Crusades, a war started by Christians.Wikipedia is the sh*t:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Christian groups with terrorist cells: * Christian Identity movement * Freedomites (also Svobodniki or Sons of Freedom, Canada, 1902-present) * Ku Klux Klan (A racist Protestant Christian organization founded during the Reconstruction period in the former Confederate States of America)[edit]Christian nationalist groups with terrorist cells * Lord's Resistance Army (1987-present) (Uganda) * Nagaland Rebels (1948-present) (Nagaland), including: o The National Liberation Front of Tripura * God's Army (a rebel faction of the Karen ethnic minority in Burma)</div>heres the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
