Greg Oden back to rehabbing

"common knowledge" *facepalm*. So if someone repeats something enough times depsite if it's true or not that suddenly makes it true? If enough hacks repeat a lie or misconstrue the truth that means that they are now reliable? It's me vs people who have trouble assessing the quality of where they're getting their information from.

My problem is not with Jason Quick, it's with what he said in the quote. READ THE QUOTE. He had no evidence of anything. Only very flaky "rumors".

*facepalm*

Your opinion is your opinion, but I am just saying the information you're basing your opinion off of is non-existent or crappy.

Don't you care that you haven't been able to find a reliable source to back-up your opinion, doesn't that make you question anything?

I've been the only one in this thread who's actually posted a shitload of info and the haters just keep going off of "it's common knowledge" or "i heard it awhile back" or "everyone knows greg oden parties a lot!" or the best one "greg oden said xyz"(when he didn't say xyz at all). Fuzzy logic, fuzzy memory, circular referencing.

 

here it is again. all the haters (who provide the same quality of source as you have) are wrong. and they are saying could be. not certain. they realize the facts arent there so they say "could be." you hear oden say one thing and hang on that like the word of god. this is grey bro, youre sticking in black and white.

if he's hurt all the time b/c of fate or luck or leg length or whatever that sucks. but if there is something he can do to get better, something he can change in his behavior, dont you as a blazer fan (or even an oden nuthugger) want to see that happen or investigated if even a 10% chance it could let him play more?

 

I'm not a #1 pick for an NBA team and labeled as the next Bill Russell. If I were, I would expect the criticism.

I'm also not re-injuring the same muscle, over and over.

Completely different set of circumstances.

 

Oden admits that he drinks, there is that famous picture of him partying. Pretty safe to say he drinks from time to time. I haven't seen any evidence to say that he drinks excessively.

[video=youtube;yqeu4XK7hH0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqeu4XK7hH0[/video]

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2009/12/greg_oden_in_good_spirits_as_r.html

Gary Gray from The Gray Institute gave this quote on 1080 the fan. You can listen to it here:

So I guess I could say that you're an alcoholic. I know about as much about your drinking history as you do about Oden's. Provide me PROOF you're not an alcoholic. In actuality, unless I have experience with the person personally, I am not going to lob accusations that they're a drunk.

I know he parties. I don't know how much. I have not seen any obvious hallmarks of an alcohol or partying problem.

I misspoke, it is "one of the loosest forms", you can see Dirty_F_Baby's articles as prime examples of articles you should take with a grain of salt.

 

9/27/10

But when the television cameras and notepads had swooshed off to the other Blazers soap opera – disgruntled Rudy Fernandez – Oden made an important revelation:

He no longer drinks alcohol. No longer goes to clubs. No longer partakes in late-night fast food.

"It's not a big deal," Oden said. "It's just something I wanted to do. It just kept going through my head that I have to change something."

1/30/11

Oden drinking


Well that didn't last long. Fell off wagon or just decided he didn't want quit. Is there a difference?

 

Accusing him of being a drunk fatso with poor work ethic on Internet forums is going to make him heal quicker? Maybe it hasn't been investigated because there is nothing to investigate? Maybe they investigated and found nothing to be concerned about? I dunno. Maybe we should investigate if Oden standing on one leg and howling at the moon is going to make him a better player? Sure there's hardly any evidence that it works, but shouldn't we at least try it?

Also where did you get your 10% chance figure from? I'd like to see some math on that one.

 

Well maybe he noticed that cutting out the drinking and clubbing and eating fast food led to the same miserable result of a microfracture surgery and another lost season.

If people want to make his struggles into some kind of mental or moral deficiency then that's their prerogative -- how else are people going to channel their anger and disappointment with a clean conscience? -- but it's not like lifestyle changes did him any big favors. Maybe, just maybe it's all shithouse luck and there's nothing to blame but poor genetics?

 

Personally, I doubt Oden's problems are primarily a matter of life style. It is a legit matter to discuss, but I doubt he was a party animal back in middle school when he blew out his hip.

OTOH, I don't know why people are getting so upset that the issue has been raised. Any pro jock who gets hurt this much is going to face questions.

 

You should take your time more as I thihnk you have mispoken quite a bit.

You still haven't answered the question . .. eventhough you know Oden has a drink from time to time, how do you it is only from time to time? Do you have a link? So how can you say time to time when you have no idea.


You are lobby accusatiuons . .. your accusations is he drinks from time to time (implying he doesn't drink heavily). The proof you provide is you know it's only time to time because that is the only thing you ahve heard about. So if you don't hear about it, it must not be happening.

That is kind of your logic throughout this whole thread. We are all guessing and making opinions, you are the only one who considers their opinion fact and only can see things as black and white.

And again in this post you misspoke . . . you said you know as much about my drinking history as Oden's. Really? Do I drink from time to time? Have you heard about me drinking underage? Have you heard that I was going to stop and then saw me drinking again. Did I say I want to cut drinking out of my lifestyle?

You know something about Oden's drinking history (I understand your point is not a lot) but you know nothing about my drinking history. S explain when you say you know as much about my drinking history as Oden's.

 

Next time read the whole article:

and the follow-up with ESPN a month later:

 

Alcoholism can be genetic.

I don't know if he is an alcoholic and I don't know if that has what has led to injuries (I doubt it).

But I do think to be an elite player, you have to commit yourself to the game. I wonder if Oden has it in him to give it the commitment it deserves. I do think he may be waek mentally. Telling to press you quit drinking and clubbing and then being seen clubbing and drinking three months later . . . change of heart or lack of will power?

 

Except he never said he quit drinking.

 

I did. What about swearing off clubbing? He said that and he apparently he hasn't.

He says he wants to eliminate it so no one talks about it. He said taht 3 months ago and then he is clubbing and drinking.

And did you see how surprised Roy was that Oden announced he stop drinking

And Roy said that he heard "out of the blue" this summer that Oden had stopped drinking.

"I was like, 'Oh wow!' Those are the types of things I like to hear," Roy said. "I know it was a big decision for him. Because for him, he liked to go out. So it's good for the team.


Jesus did you read the article. Can you read between the lines . . . when Roy says "he liked to go out" when talking about drinking, what do you think he is saying? I'm guessing your statement he goes out drinking from time to time is a real bad opinion.

 

Even worse

"It's not a big deal," Oden said. "It's just something I wanted to do. It just kept going through my head that I have to change something."


So he said he wants to quit drinking because of public perception but admits he has a drink now and then . . . you tell me want that says about him. Can he stop?

And if public perception is a concern and he want to eliminate that (his own words), why is he going to a bar and having a drink. Did he say he goes to a lub now and then? No. Did he say he jsut in case people talk about it I want to eliminate that? Yes


Aren't his actions the exact oppostie of what he said he was trying to do?

 

Alright, this thread has officially bored me.

 

i never called him a drunk fatso. i said his partying and poor diet arent that of an elite athlete, which could be reason for his repeated injuries. again, you are completely ridiculous. black and white still...

and if its .01% its worth talking about. unless you think the last few years have been working well. in which case youre an idiot.

 

I believe in Occam's Razor. You would have to make a pretty convoluted case that Oden intentionally stepped on Bynum's foot, that he ran into Corey Maggette's knee brace on purpose, that he split his own patella when no one was looking or tore his own cartilage while practicing before the L*ker game. Feel free to state your logic behind your reasoning.