MSP says "they have spoken to quick on who is being moved"

None of the above. I don't know what happened and neither do you or RoyToy. Should the Blazers FO be directed to yourself or RoyToy for further questions regarding the future injuries of their players?

 

No, you didn't. You made an assumption and then convinced yourself it was a fact. Just because Oden had two previous injuries doesn't mean he would have future injuries. Nobody absolutely knew what would happen, and if you think you knew, then you're out of touch with reality.

Ok Dr. RoyToy. What else can you tell us about Oden's injuries and how many more he will have by the time he is 28?

I'm being realistic. You're jumping to conclusions and saying people are being dumb because they don't jump to the same conclusions.

 

I don't know what Dr. RoyToy can say about Oden's future injuries, but even without D.O. in front of my name I can tell you that Oden's got one leg significantly longer than the other, has had hip surgery as an adolecent, three significant knee surgeries, he's 7' tall, 300+ lbs. and walks with a "funny" gait. So the question isn't really how many injuries he'll have in the future, but how likely is it that there will be more significant injuries if he keeps playing NBA basketball. I'd say that chance is quite high given his physiology and the pattern of injury that he has displayed so far.

 

So how much should we have offered him for a new contract? Did Cho make the right decision to not extend him? Should we not offer a QO?

 

First of all, we're talking about Roy and Oden, with both coming into the season with their previous season being ended by injury(Roy shouldn't have returned).

Now, add in the fact that Roy's surgery reportedly left him with no meniscus in either knee and that Oden wasn't even on any kind of time table to return(after an initial recovery time of 4 months) and yes, I think it's safe to say there's a big fucking problem with relying on them to return and carry this team. Roy having no meniscus is a huge fucking red flag that he'll have future problems and the fact that Oden didn't even come close to meeting the 4 month time table for his return and that when he would return was a huge question mark tells me the chances he stays healthy is a coin flip at best.

Roy with no meniscus in either knee? Oden way off schedule, return date unknown? HMMMMMM.

There were plenty of red flags that were ignored. To say there was no way the team could have seen this coming makes me laugh. That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard.

 

I think you way overstate the case about what was known and when, but let's acknowledge that you're correct that there were red flags. The real question is what could Cho have done about those red flags once he got the GM job? Everybody in the NBA knew about Oden's injury history and about Brandon's lack of meniscus. Do you really think that the market would have been high for either one absent proof that they could perform? Do you think that Cho could have gotten a franchise level player in return for either one? And trading guys with the potential of either of these players for journey-level guys would have achieved exactly what? Cho inherited what has turned out to be an injury-plagued roster. It's going to take time to sort it out.

 

Don't be disingenious. Your constant mantra that nothing is wrong and nobody is ever responsible is very tiresome.

 

Really? You must have a very boring, depressing life.

Anyway, it isn't about being able to say for sure, even though you claim it is so obvious. It is about probabilities, and I certainly don't have any idea about the probability of Oden being healthy by the time he is 24.

 

I don't think I'm overstating it at all. If you have no meniscus in your knees it doesn't take a genius to figure out you're going to have problems. Oden? Ha. Before he went down the team didn't even know when he would return. Stop acting like the red flags weren't right in front of Cho's face. They were there. The fact that Cho traded away Bayless just reassures my opinion that he was at least counting on Roy to be fine.

What Cho could or couldn't have got isn't the point. Idk what was available. What I do know is Cho sat on his ass for 3 months doing nothing before the season started running cool evaluations when he should have been looking to make moves then.

 

LOL!

Keep ignoring the obvious red flag, just like the Blazers.

Get a clue.

 

I have a feeling that what the Blazers were willing to offer and what Oden and his camp would be willing to accept weren't all that close together so there's no point in guessing what they 'should' have offered. As for the extension Cho was smart not to offer it and bid against himself and the QO probably ins't a horrible gamble to take on him.

 

Greg Oden - 4 month recovery time - not met

Return for the start of the season - nope

Return date - unknown

How could Greg have suffered another MF injury! There were absolutely no signs that this would happen....AGAIN!

 

It's one thing to argue that Cho knew the Blazers were on thin ice, but that his hands were tied. That scenario is entirely possible.

It is something else to argue that Cho, or the FO in general, were ignorant of the problems.

 

It doesn't matter for Cho. He is damned for anything but success at this point. Some people would damn him for making another trade. Some people would damn him for not making another trade. Some people would damn him for trading a veteran player now. Some people would damn him for getting to end of season and letting contracts expire. Basically, he will be condemned by the fans for anything but success. Welcome to being an NBA GM.

 

You're a silly guy. Link to some posts where I claim "nothing is wrong" or "nobody is ever responsible", or GTFO.

 

Better yet, why don't you show a link where somebody was critical of a player, coach, team Dr, or anybody else associated with the team, and you actually *agreed* with them, rather than being nasty about it.

The blunt truth is, the majority of your posts are shots at other posters.....posters who don't toe the party line.

BTW, I notice you never did answer the question: what changed with Roy's knee between the end of last season and the beginning of this season?

 

Better yet... you made a claim, you're responsible for backing it up.

Yet, you can't provide links. Well, I'm convinced! I don't care if you "toe the party line", I just expect people to be able to back up their claims. That isn't too much to ask.

You mean other than the surgery he had???

 

Roy hasn't had meniscus in one knee for his entire career. While it's no surprise that his knees aren't going to let him have a long career, nobody, Roy included, knew that he was going to have the quick deterioration that's caused him major problems he's had this season. As for Oden, while he wasn't responding as quickly as expected, nobody knew he needed microfracture and would be out for the season until the end of November. You seem to have some sort of odd need to blame somebody for this situation, but copping out and saying you don't know what was available to Cho, yet blaming him for not doing something when you don't even know if there was something worthwhile to be done is, IMHO, absurd.

 

Good post. You said it better than I did.

 

My bet is they notified Marks that he will be cut in favor of C. Johnson. They have a few more days before this will need to happen though... Hang on for the "Wild Ride".