It's an example of how your body can turn on you. It doesn't mean his situation is more dire than a child with cancer. Spin it how you like. He only shows up in dope filled rap music videos!!! Yeah he responded back that it was a bad idea & doesn't reflect his lifestyle, how can we be sure???? I actually don't think that's Brandon's style, I am not going to take the fact that he showed up in a music video with dope references as hard evidence he's a drug addict, just like people probably shouldn't assume Oden showing up at a club or talking in an article where he clearly states he doesn't have a drinking problem, means he has a drinking problem. Roy needed continual knee surgeries and obviously their conditions are not exactly the same. Roy's treatments takes a few weeks to a few months to heal while Oden's take about a year. If Roy really was taking care of himself, why did he need all those surgeries? And if he didn't need as many surgeries he'd probably still be playing!!! Let's jump to conclusions on that one: maybe he wouldn't have needed the surgeries if he wasn't smoking so much dope yo. Again, that's bullshit and flat out retarded to make that conclusion. Well the first knee injury no one knew how it happened, the second was due to banging knees with a metal brace. So at that point, I don't think people would probably be wrong in saying "hey might be bad luck, he probably won't have another knee injury". Now that he's had two more knee non-contact knee injuries it's looking very unlikely this is a "freak accident". Jumping to conclusions might be fun, but it doesn't mean your conclusions are always correct. Sorry my post count isn't as big as yours. My ego is shattered. Yes I know of the video because I recorded it and posted it myself. I also posted pretty much every other damn link in this thread that has any actual value. As I remember[memory may be fuzzy], most of the issue with Oden's weight was due to upper body muscle because he could not exercise his lower body due to his knee. Doesn't mean he was a fatty. The video itself has him shopping with his tubby cousin and doesn't show the full contents of what is in his cart. He also speaks of using his George Foreman Grill, you know, the one touted letting you grill healthy. But no continue to jump to conclusions, seems to be your MO.
I think you're distorting the "two sides" to tilt it in favor of your position. If I were to similarly distort things, I would say this: We have those who believe that everything that happens to someone is necessarily caused by something blameworthy that they did and if you examine their life carefully enough, you can figure out why they deserve what they got and there are those who believe that certain things are significantly affected by individual choices and some things are not significantly within one's control...and it's not always clear what falls into which category. Put me in the second group. There is no question that sleep, diet, lifestyle all have effect on one's well-being. The two issues that stand out to me, though, are: 1. No one commenting here knows whether Oden is doing a poor job with his sleep habits, diet choices or lifestyle choices 2. No one commenting here has any idea whether the specific injuries Oden has suffered are significantly affected by any of those things To be clear, I am not claiming that I know. The answers to these issues may in fact be damning: perhaps Oden is actually treating his body like shit and that is causing the injuries. My position has been, and continues to be, an unwillingness to just assume those things without any evidence. Do I have evidence that neither is the case? No, of course not...so I'm also not claiming he has no effect on what has happened. But in the absence of damning evidence, I choose not to damn someone. Everyone else, of course, can choose their own course.
Of course. "Could have" will always be words pertinent to assessing Oden's career, IMO. Perhaps the extra weight the Greg put on during his first season rehabbing "could have" played a role in the subsequent injuries that have derailed his career for the time being. Who knows? Perhaps, the extra weight "could have" allowed him to play in the 82 games we've seen thus far, and he'd have been even slower and more foul-prone if he "could have" not gained the weight. Perhaps he would have never played a game had he never taken a drink of eaten a cheeseburger. It's really up for an opinionated debate, IMO. Anyhoo, what's done is done.
It actually comes down to whether someone wants to judge and blame someone without knowing all the facts. You, and some others, seem entirely willing (and even eager, in some posters' cases) to do that. I know that I am not. If Oden had hurt himself in a drunk driving incident? Sure. Then I'd blame him. But right now I don't see any causal link between his alleged drinking and his knee injuries. Ed O.
Ah, so you're one of the people with Greg in the video. No wonder you're so defensive. I think all of us view our posts in a similar manner. Yes, everybody puts on 50 lbs. in their torso by lifting. Where have I jumped to any conclusions in this thread? I'm only basing my opinion on what Greg has said to the media in the past about changing his behavior. I don't know why he is always injured. I just don't understand why he wouldn't try to do whatever he could to lead a healthy lifestyle. Ed O.'s ridiculous posts about how your treat your body doesn't mean anything in terms of health aside, can't we at least agree that the general fact of science states that eating lean foods with veggies and fruits, limiting alcohol, and getting rest is the best thing for your body? Greg said he was going to change his behavior on 2/3 of those things.
Huh? Where have I assessed any blame? I've gone out of my way to not assess blame. Don't go all 2008 Ed O. on me again because you're flustered.
Huh? Where did I ever post this? I'm not at all. That's a close-ended question that I will answer, because it is related to my posts in this thread.
Recorded it from CSN. Hey, you keep telling me I need to read the forum more and learn it's back history, it sounds like you're failing to even read a few pages back in a single thread. Hey, what quality links have you posted to prove your position? You seem to like to quote from links I've provided, as do others. When I asked for others to back up their statements, no one could find the articles until I started posting them & when people finally did start posting "proof" they were to third party blogs that didn't even prove their points. So yeah. I've posted the video, I've posted the oregonian articles, I've posted the ESPN article. Quality material. You & many others haven't. Not sure where 50lbs comes from. Here's another quality link: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_7_24/ai_n28042868/ Maybe 20lbs? Didn't sound like Jensen was concerned by it though. If you can post up something supporting your 50lb number. Also the article certainly doesn't make it sound like Oden wasn't taking rehab seriously. There you go, jumping to the conclusion he has those issues & that he hasn't changed.
every post that has argued against you has said his lifestyle COULD BE, IN PART responsible for his constant injury. again goes back to you and klinky saying there is no possible way and that your answer is the only answer, whereas the other side of the aisle is trying to say it could be and is worth discussion. youre very closed-minded when it comes to your hero arent you? free your mind and the rest will follow, ed. (yes i did get that line from an en vouge song)
this is klinky's hero you are talking about! how dare you imply anything negative that has ever happened to greg oden could have been prevented by oden himself! this was 100% fate. no other way is possible.
Which part of Oden's lifestyle could potentially have been responsible for his body's behavior when Maggette's metal knee brace hit his patella and broke it?
how bout the non-contact injuries? but yes, it COULD have. knees collide in sports all the time without breaking. maybe his bones are weak. maybe because he doesnt eat right. maybe it was just shit luck. is it likely, no. but do i want to know some reason why our #1 pick is always broken? yuuuuuuup. it is not unreasonable for things like this to be discussed when the injured person when concern over his diet and drinking have been prevalent through much of his career (whether real or made up by quick). why is the questioning of this so hard to understand?
Assuming he parties all the time is different than assuming he does from time to time. Innocent until proven guilty, right?
Oden's not my hero. I know you've been here for four days, so you have my psychological profile nailed down, but in THIS case you're a bit off. Anything COULD BE, IN PART responsible for his constant injury. I don't care about that. Unless there's actual causal evidence I don't care. I am not going to criticize a player, personally, based on perceived moral shortcomings. I don't get off on feeling better than the NBA players that I root for on the floor. I never have and I never will. Sorry. Ed O.
this is absolute nonsense. people have on multiple posts shown evidence for their opinion. yet you dismiss it, because it doesnt fit with your opinion. and you should understand why blazer fans would criticize "moral shortcomings" they think could have something to do with why the #1 pick isnt playing. and why is this a moral issue? you think i care about his eating and drinking habits because it compromises his morals? how do you not understand that i am searching for answers to why he isnt helping our team win? if you think I "get off" on feeling better than greg oden then you havent read a single post ive made. or have the ability to comprehend and understand what you are reading equal to that of a 5 year old. also, greg oden isnt on the floor. he's hurt. all the damn time.
Do you know what causal evidence is? I know it's a pretty big word for a fifth grader, so you might want to look it up and make sure I'm using it correctly. There has been no causal evidence shared in this thread. There have been a couple of stories by Quick and a quote from Oden about how he quit drinking for last season. Nothing indicating how alcohol can weaken knees. Nothing explaining why other players have bad knees in spite of much cleaner living. Nor why, if quitting drinking were helpful, why he still got injured while he was abstaining. Because the answer is right in front of your face: he's had injuries, the same way that so many other NBA players have. Ripping him for going out to clubs is not going to explain anything, and it's not going to get him back onto the court any sooner. Are you going to deny you get off on hyperbole now? Ed O.
