The never-ending "Sarah Palin should STFU" thread

You're changing the debate. First you said she was stupid because she said she could see Russia from her house. Next you said it wasn't materially important because the Diomedes were too small to contain weapons. Now you're saying that it was weak to attach foreign policy experience simply by having two countries contiguous to you. On that point I agree, but that wasn't your argument.

It's sad that you're so intellectually insecure, you can't admit you were wrong.

Again, you were intimating that she was stating a falsehood. What she said was true. Whether it was an important point to make or not doesn't factor in to initial point you were trying to make.

Aw, how cute. You actually believe that these panels wouldn't advocate to pass on procedures that would cost the government money. And now you've hit on the biggest reason why government should not be involved in health care: when you make it the business of the government, every action you take in regards to health (diet, fitness, activities) become the business of the government, because we all pay for everyone else's decisions. I prefer to be responsible for own life. It's none of your business what I decide to do with my life. You know, that whole "Life, Liberty and Persuit of Happiness..." thing.

Donald Berwick.

Yet you hold them to a different standard. Obama states he's visited 57 states, Gore claimed he was responsible for the invention of the Internet and they get a pass.

 

You said SHE was stupid, for allegedly saying she could see Russia from her house. You were wrong. Tina Fey said it. I'm amazed you can't simply admit you were wrong.

She was asked a question about her foreign policy experience and she discussed her role with the National Guard and then brought up that from parts of Alaska you could see Russia, which meant that the Alaskan National Guard had more responsibility than other states. Was it a weak answer? Sure. Did she simply say she had foreign policy experience because she could see Russia from her house? Only in your mind and others that simply wish to believe the worst in her.

Are you aware of what end-of-life counseling is? I am. My mom was the Administrator at Tuality, Meridian Park and Emanuel, and has graduate degrees in Nursing and Public Health Administration. I had a discussion with her about these very boards, because she was amazed they were put in the bill. They're basically hospice advocates. Give up, and stop asking for additional medical resources.

You and I agree. If I want to kill myself, it's none of the government's business. Conversely, it's none of the government's business when and how I wish to end my life, if I want to continue fighting or if I want to give up. When the government is hiring in essence a lobbyist for you to give up, I have a problem with it. Defining it as simply as "death panels" was genius, IMO. Yet to you, it's evidence that Sarah Palin is stupid.

As you well know, he did claim responsibility for invention of the internet, because he was on the Senate committee that funded it. He didn't say, "I served on the committee to help fund the Internet", he claimed he helped invent the Internet. Regardless of what he meant, it's what he said. Just like Obama knows there are only 50 states. Yet, they're brilliant, but Sarah Palin is stupid. I'm simply pointing out the double standard.

 

Diane Feinstein warns of a potential Islamic takeover in Egypt this morning on MSNBC.

I suppose this could be considered an answer to the concerns and questions that Palin raised, couldn't it? In other words, not even the head of the Senate Intel Committee has a clue on what the transitional process in Egypt would hold if Mubarak stepped down immediately. I'm still waiting for somebody, but especially chrisinpdx, to explain why Palin's questions were "dangerous".

[video=youtube;FFZzc5OY0pg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFZzc5OY0pg[/video]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFZzc5OY0pg

 

I was watching Bill Gates last night on Charlie Rose. He said at some point America needs to decide if a surgery to prolong the life of a 78 year old by a year is worth the price of firing two school teachers. The default answer right now is, "Yes." Because it's the old people who vote.

Most of the major costly decisions we are making now are for the short-term benefit of the elderly and at the long-term cost of the young, and nobody is really discussing that. The current dialog is all about "death panels" and anti- vs pro- government.

I think it's kind of sad and short-sighted that the term "death panel" even came about. It's made it that much harder to even have this discussion. If we really do want to reduce or eliminate the deficit, we simply have to address this issue.

 

It's a false choice. Ask yourself why teachers have to cost so much. Next, ask why costs for health care have to be so high. Both can be substantially lower.

Health care only has to be rationed when the government runs it. The three largest employers in the world are the Chinese Army, the Indian Railway and the British NHS. The first two serve over a billion people each. The third serves 60 million people. Of course there is going to be rationing of health care when so much has to go to administration.

Health care is a personal choice. It's none of the government's business.

 

I'm dating a teacher making 20k a year at a private school. She has a Masters and certification in this state to teach special ed. She's only at a private school because her education level prices her out of public schools. Her job doesn't provide health insurance.

Exactly how much less do you propose they could be making? There's already a negative consequence to adding to your qualifications.

If you want to discuss tenure and pension plans and such, I'll listen. Lowering their current compensation is ridiculous.

 

She has chosen her profession and her specific job. She could have passed on that job if she would have wished. Clearly she's getting a psychic benefit from being a teacher at a private school.

 

Where am I? Who are these people? What happened to Sarah Palin's comments on Egypt?

 

After not hearing from about 150 applications, she took the first offer she got. Actually the second offer, since the first was at a Halloween costume shop.

 

Forget it, agoo. Some people think that teachers are just glorified babysitters and that the job of teaching young people is easy. That they work 6 hours a day, 5 days a week (not taking into account the INSANE AMOUNT of holidays/days off that teachers get) for 9 months out of the year. That they are lazy hacks who couldn't work in the REAL WORLD, so they just stand in front of classes of disinterested children who fail... but their failure isn't because the kids won't learn, it's because the teacher is incompetent. And making 20k a year with no benefits is about what minimum wage babysitters make, so that's about right.

Did I miss anything? Or maybe these people have no clue what it takes to teach a child, especially when 80% of the kids have no help or support when they go home. I guess I'm just a filthy commie pinko Lib Union-cheerleader for thinking that.

 

Hey Chris, since you popped back into your thread, would you mind telling me what Palin said about Egypt that had you so upset?

Watch the Feinstein video from this morninging that I posted prior to answering my question.

 

Perhaps if school voucher programs weren't despised by the Democrats (a successful program in DC, for example, was discontinued by the current President), your girlfriend would have more students able to attend her school, and her wages would increase with the enrollment?