Is Rudy our new point guard?

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  1. MARIS61

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    Wow, you must have a Braille keyboard to be able to post here?
     
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    Where's your evidence?
     
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    didn't we take a look at Shaun last summer?
     
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    I disagree. Do you have evidence to back your assertions? (good luck with that)

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  7. MARIS61

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    I'll take that as an admission by you that you have none.

    My evidence is the team's performance since Brandon went out and Rudy finally got the ball and some PT. Nobody would dispute that the team is playing better now.

    My evidence is Rudy is 11th in the league in steals/turnover ratio (7th among guards).

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...alified=Y&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=5&splitDD=All Teams

    My evidence is he averages only 1.1 TO's a game, despite being our backup PG much of the time.

    My evidence is he has a TO rate of 2.3 per 48 minutes, despite playing both guard positions. 58 guards have worse rates, including Andre and Wes.

    Poor ballhandling is easy to prove by stats when it actually exists.

    I renew my challenge to the haters to put up or shut up.
     
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    Done!

    Now let's see you back up your view.
     
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    I made a sandwich the day Brandon went out. Nobody would dispute the team is playing better now. Clearly, the sandwich turned things around.

    I'm glad all these points can be addressed the same way. Saves time. Rudy doesn't handle the ball in traffic a lot and therefore doesn't rack up a lot of turnovers. There was a thread the other day asking why Rudy is only used as a spot-up shooter. This is why. To limit his weakness, i.e. turnovers.

    No it isn't, because a smart player and his coach can have him play a style that limits his chances to commit turnovers. If he had good ball-handling, he'd play a different style, but the stats don't record play style.

    A clue to his playing style is how few free throws he draws. He gets 2.5 free throws per game on average. A guy who attacks the basket, like Bayless, averages well over double at 5.8. Rudy doesn't attack the hoop, because he can't. And because he doesn't try, he doesn't commit turnovers.

    I don't hate Rudy. I like the guy. That's why I wish he could handle the ball in traffic and therefore be a terrific player.
     
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    This is just so sad.

    This is the weakest post of all the weak, unsupported posts I've ever read by you, and that's saying something.

    Thanks for proving my point by providing no evidence of any kind to support your absurd opinion.

    Your story about Rudy "avoiding traffic" is quickly debunked by watching any Blazer game. You should do that sometime.

    BTW, the "I made a sandwich" line is getting old, and is pathetically desperate anyway.

    Next time you have nothing of value to post, try to resist the urge to make shit up.
     
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    I think this argument needs a moderator. So in my expert judgment I give point, set and match to Minstrel after Maris double-faults on the last serve. Congrats to Minstrel for winning.
     
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    Mills and Batum get fewer FTA/min than Rudy. Yet this thread says they'd make better PGs than him.

    If Rudy doesn't dribble into the paint, and hang out under the hoop, I missed it. That's where he lives. Even if he did avoid it, the reason would be skinniness, not dribbling.

    McMillan has done this before. Brent Barry just put his head down and dribbled.

    http://sportstwo.com/threads/178816...dy-Fernandez?p=2536440&viewfull=1#post2536440
     
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    This is the part that stings. While I've used that line before, I've only used it a couple of times in my entire posting history here and it's an extremely good illustration for children about how correlation doesn't equal causation. It's clear, concise and sandwiches are memorable.
     
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    This post out-dumbed itself with each subsequent sentence.
     
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    I'd like a sandwich, but it's late, and it would go straight through the lips and right to the belly.
     
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    This thread says, Rudy can't be a PG because...he currently doesn't handle the ball as much as the PGs. Okayyy...well, I notice he gets more assists/minute than Roy or Matthews, or Batum (someone said Batum would make a better PG).

    So if Rudy scores a negative for handling the ball less than them, shouldn't he score a positive for getting more assists than them, despite handling the ball less? If he handled the ball as much as them, he'd get even more assists.

    If Rudy starts at PG because Miller is traded, we'll be worse at PG, but we'll also be better at whoever we get for Miller (assuming it's not just a draft pick or something stupid). Yet this thread says that the team will be lottery-bound if Rudy replaces Miller. What if we can get someone good for Miller, who more than compensates for Rudy not being as good as Miller?

    This is all theory, until McMillan experiments with Rudy more. Aldridge is showing that when you become the Man, you change. Brent Barry showed the same phenomenon when he replaced Payton.
     
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    I think Rudy could be productive @ PG in certain situations but saying he's a better ball handler than Roy (even if injured) is absolutely ridiculous. The only way to settle this ridiculous argument is to watch a game. I've done that many times and Rudy's handles are average at best for a SG...
     
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    Red herring. No one in the thread said that.
     
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