I think that's something that, ironically, EVERYONE agrees with. Moronism is relative. My Dad once told me (when I placed at the top of an IQ study in the elementary school and was quite full of myself) you can view yourself as a genius and those less intelligent than you as average, but a safer and possibly more accurate view is that you are of normal intelligence and those less intelligent than you are gullible morons. I have found in life the latter view serves me better than the former.
Apples and Oranges, again. To compare a teacher's wage to that of a drive-thru attendant or a doorman or a taxi driver demonstrates your total lack of any cohesive arguement. Public teachers are drastically UNDERPAID compared to teachers in the private sector, which is the ONLY valid comparison.
My belief system has been demonized by over-the-top rhetoric by the left for years Rather than stand down, I am now engaging in a similar style of rhetoric. I believe that public union members, especially those in positions like teaching, are proving themselves to be moochers, and unwilling to face the reality that their bosses in the private sector are already deeply into at this point. It's like an echo chamber with these moochers, IMO.
I never said you ruined anything. I said that you have better benefits than the people paying for your benefits. This is a fact, for the most part. You've already shown your disdain for the taxpayers in this thread, Sug. A long post isn't going to walk that one back. Also, Ted Kennedy was the original sponsor of No Child Left Behind and guided it through committees and a floor vote. Did you forget that, or did you never know about his role in that law? I'm guessing it is the latter.
I don't believe that, but since you posted it, care to post a comparative between a private teacher's retirement guarantees versus that of the public teacher? Also, private teachers are paid directly from the tuitions collected from the parents of the students that they teach. Those parents also have to contribute to public teachers' retirements, whether they utilize them or not.
Teachers are fee to leave their jobs if they can't live with the changes the government wish to make. Promises are broken in the private sector all the time by companies that can't afford the benefits they'd like to pay their employees.
The moochers don't seem to understand this basic economic fact. Times change, and businesses have to adjust. I've been laid off before in an 'adjustment' for the bottom line; the "promise" they made to me when I was hired was irrelevant. It's one of the main reasons that I started my own consulting business after 13 years of corporate garbage. It's all on me at this point, and I like that a lot.
Are you referring to breach of contract? Withholding pay? There are legal remedies for these illegal actions. Teachers (all of the really good ones, the cream of the crop) will leave, for better paying jobs. Some in other states, some in the private sector, some will go overseas to Japan or other countries where American teacher's pay is far more rewarding. And then the laziest, most damaging "moochers" as PapaG likes to call them will make up the entire Wisconsin Public School System. Because those guys ain't goin' nowhere unless they get fired. In 10 years time a whole generation of Wisconsin students will become the state's most ignorant class of young workers/taxpayers. In 20 years bills will be proposed to restrict the dummies from Wisconsin from driving or owning anything with a pointy tip in fear of them hurting themselves. Eventually DHS would have to build a wall around the state to protect the union from a stupidity epidemic. After that my crystal ball gets a little hazy...
Let's take this one step at a time: #1 "I said that you have better benefits than the people paying for your benefits. This is a fact, for the most part." What are my benefits? Can you tell me exactly what my district offered me? I am pretty sure my Kaiser option is the same as the majority of people across the state. If you are talking about my PERS to which I contribute to every month and the district matches. Let's see as of right now I have received NOTHING from this benefit, but I have paid in a lot. Sure the district has matched my funds, but will I ever see the benefit when I retire? Who knows. I liken it to my social security taxes I pay, who knows. #2 "You've already shown your disdain for the taxpayers in this thread, Sug. A long post isn't going to walk that one back." Either quote where I have done this or shut the fuck up already about my entrenchment, and disdain. #3 "Also, Ted Kennedy was the original sponsor of No Child Left Behind and guided it through committees and a floor vote. Did you forget that, or did you never know about his role in that law?" Actually Einstein the NCLB was an extension of an existing law that was called The Elementary and Secondary Education Act which was passed in 1965. It was reauthorized by NCLB. I don't have to guess as to your ignorance on this fact as it is already clear to see by your snippy little bitch of a post. As I stated clearly in my "long" post, the problem of government being in collusion with the private sector exists on BOTH sides of the aisle. I marked that text for your poor reading comprehension. In the end it was in fact GWB that finally signed that bill into law. I think that is why people call the healthcare law Obamacare right? I mean that bill became law the same way I think? hardy har har Anyway, next time you try to flame me please understand that you are clearly not up to the task. You are irrationally driven by your ignorance to the larger picture, and as a result you come off as a dipshit. I know you are passionate about the subject, but you really are being a child. Your response failed to address basically anything I wrote, because you clearly don't know how to respond in an intelligent manner.
True, and I could be making 100k+ if I wanted to in the private sector. I did before I got into teaching, but much the person who decides to serve in the military, I chose to serve as well.
What promise do you refer to? Did they promise to employ you forever? It sounds like you agree with the unions. They should just lay off some teachers like your boss did and not mess with retirement. Funny that you're now a consultant since rampant, overblown government-paid consultant's fees are the biggest waste of taxpayer money there is.
If I may jump in, the reason I didn't respond point by point to your detailed posts is because they're irrelevant. The bigger picture is that politicians have made promises to public union employees that the taxpayers can't afford. It means the promises have to be broken. Welcome to the real world.
They are relevant in that my union is only part of the problem, and at that a small part. The biggest frauds in America occur under the name of patriotism and not the middle class trying to hold onto what little is left.
If you examine every state's budget, the largest liability on their books are government employee pensions and health care expenses.
Great. So you're a moocher x2. Also, what are you "serving"? Does this mean that private school teachers who can't get into your union aren't "serving"?
An article explaining why we're in so much financial trouble and why something dramatic has to be done http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/20/AR2011022003201.html
I knew you worked in a shady field, but I still thought you had a basic moral code of some sort you followed. In what "real world" is lying justified? A man is only as good as his word. For you who claim to worship God: Proverbs 19 (King James Version) 1. Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool. 5. A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape. 9. A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish. 22. The desire of a man is his kindness: and a poor man is better than a liar. Adherents of Islam: Punishment of a Liar Narrated Anas: There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him." Then Allah caused him to die, and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is the act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and took his body out of it because he had run away from them." They again dug the grave deeply for him, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is an act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and threw his body outside it, for he had run away from them." They dug the grave for him as deep as they could, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. So they believed that what had befallen him was not done by human beings and had to leave him thrown (on the ground). Source: Sahih Al Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 814.
