<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ArizonaFan @ Jun 19 2006, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>streetshox...me and Melo are not Mavs fans. We are enemies that agree. </div>I`m not saying you are I meant all the people who think that was a bad call. If they ask for a timeout,the refs HAVE to give it to them so tough luck( Mavs lovers)
It would tarnish the league, if they brought it up the league would be forever tainted. Then they'd be critcised for the fall of the NBA.There is no way in hell so many calls can go wrong and so much bias for the home team. The Nba would love another 7 game series and it's going to happen. All the calls will go dallas way in game 6 and i will bump this thread.Just wait and see what happens on tuesday night.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jun 19 2006, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The refs were never told to rig a game but I if they wanted to they could rig a game and Stern has yet made any actions to stop that from happening. Stern's problem is he isn't watching them close enough or making actions for an official that constantly favors a player or team. This is where the inconsistency is.</div> Referee's make mistakes, if Stern goes at them for every mistake it could set off a firestorm, NBA ref's are like their own little union and Stern would be foolish to treat these guys like machines, a lot of these ref's are old timers and they don't need Stern treating them like children.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ Jun 19 2006, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would tarnish the league, if they brought it up the league would be forever tainted. Then they'd be critcised for the fall of the NBA.There is no way in hell so many calls can go wrong and so much bias for the home team. The Nba would love another 7 game series and it's going to happen. All the calls will go dallas way in game 6 and i will bump this thread.</div> You just don't get it...these old ref's would not tolerate the league office telling them to fix games. Nobody would blame a ref that uncovered corruption. I would rather have the league forever questioned than have kids watch corrupt basketball. If Joe Crawford tomorrow came out and outed the whole league for corruption the sports world would and basketball fans would be thankfull.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ Jun 19 2006, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would tarnish the league, if they brought it up the league would be forever tainted. Then they'd be critcised for the fall of the NBA.There is no way in hell so many calls can go wrong and so much bias for the home team. The Nba would love another 7 game series and it's going to happen. All the calls will go dallas way in game 6 and i will bump this thread.Just wait and see what happens on tuesday night.</div> Of course thats all you will be looking for....another way to blame poor basketball on the NBA and it's referee's. thats all half the members on this forum do...tell NBA ref's how to do their jobs. If people like you would just accept it that NBA ref's are not robots and that they do make mistakes, the whole league would just be better off because instead of talking about the Mavericks pansy ass play and how great Wade is...we are talking about Joe Crawford and his staff and it's a god damn shame.
Are you honestly going to tell me that all these horrible calls during these playoffs are by coincidence? If you think it is then you have no hope. There is obvious bias and that bias doesn't come from their heads, their being told to ref like that by Stern.
Yeah...I'm sure David Stern and the referee's sit down before games and discuss strategy...your out of your f*cking mind.
I'll give you an example. Kobe was getting too many freethrows so i forgot who it was, sent a memo the Nba saying he's recieving too many freethrows. Guess what happens for the next couple of games? Kobe goes to the line 4 times a game whilst attacking just as much.Influence, influence. Stern influences them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ Jun 19 2006, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you honestly going to tell me that all these horrible calls during these playoffs are by coincidence? If you think it is then you have no hope. There is obvious bias and that bias doesn't come from their heads, their being told to ref like that by Stern.</div>Dude do you know how dumb you sound. Just figure it out. REFS MAKEMISTAKES!!! They are not perfect and gonna get every call. I know they'd do better than anyone else here. It's easy to notice violations when your watching games on tv. To the refs the players are moving a lto faster when your right there so it's harder to cathc things and plus almost every violation we see a replay of it to help us see if it really happened or not. The refs on the other hand just have to go by what they thought they saw and can't hesitate much to call it. You make it sound so easy to get every call.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ Jun 19 2006, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll give you an example. Kobe was getting too many freethrows so i forgot who it was, sent a memo the Nba saying he's recieving too many freethrows. Guess what happens for the next couple of games? Kobe goes to the line 4 times a game whilst attacking just as much.Influence, influence. Stern influences them.</div> Yeah, like i'm supposed to take the little story seriously.http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/bucher_ric/1513723.htmlThe truth about refereeing in the NBA
Um...yeh. I'm talking about this post season not any others. This post season definently is rigged to an extent.And that story is true, i will find you a link for it.
Read the link I posted.These elements, incidentally, are mandatory for every ref to know -- the disruptive personalities on every team, how long a team has been on the road, how their previous games have gone, what changes they've had to make to their personnel, their favorite plays, what other controversies that might affect a team's or player's demeanor. This, for every game they work. Aside from the 59-page rule book, the 76-page case book and 71-page official's manual, of course, which is tested with weekly quizzes and regular videotape you-make-the-call tests online.In the locker room at halftime, Crawford isn't happy that Palmer couldn't tell him where the ball was when she fired off the Ts, which determines how the game should be re-started. "Joey, I looked for it but I was trying to keep them apart," she says. He also asks Fine if, in hindsight, he should've called a flagrant foul on "Seattle's foreign kid" (Vladimir Radmanovic) for a hard foul to stop a Stepania layup shortly before halftime. "I'm saying it's just something to think about," Crawford says.Then they review tape of Palmer's blocking call on Travis Best. Crawford, hoping to keep Miami from turning the game into a wrestling match, would've called a charge on principle, because it was a 50-50 play and that kind of call tones down a game's physicality, whereas the other encourages it. But the replay shows Palmer's call is technically correct. "Way to go, Violet," Crawford says. This is a case, however, when the technically correct call may not always be the ideal call. If calling Best for a charge might've stopped the second-half shenanigans, the league and every official would've happily taken that trade.The Heat are down by 16 and have no chance, but Crawford's fears are fully realized. Gary Payton and Butler square off and draw Ts from Fine, then the Sonics' Reggie Evans and Stepania tangle battling for a loose ball. That's two more Ts and Stepania is gone. Midway through the fourth quarter, Lewis and Best go nose-to-nose and a mini-melee breaks out. Two more Ts. As the refs walk under the stands to their locker room, Heat security director David Holcombe informs Crawford that Lewis threw a punch at Best.
You'd have to be pretty naive to think some of these things are coincidences. The Lakers got the calls mostly in the beggining of their series. A long series between 2 rivals is good and an LA-LA series would have really good ratings. Artest got suspended for a little tap. That might have been because he's just Artest or because they wanted the Spurs-Mavs rivalry in Round 2 and didn't want the champions to have any chance at getting out early.The Suns were favored by the refs in Round 2 i'll admit. The Suns' series bring the NBA some of the best ratings.San Antonio was havily favored by the refs in Round 2. That could not have been a coincidence with how bad the officiating was.And then Stackhouse gets suspended for a regular flagrant foul. Shaq didn't go flying into the stands as someone said. He just fell and when Wade was trying to hold him down it made it seem worse and that will probably make the series go to 7. I've also got to admit at the end of the Mavs-Suns series the Suns got the advantage in officiating, even in Dallas, but they couldn't take advantage because they were too beaten up.Then there were all the calls LeBron got that helped get that series to 7 and made it much more exciting than what it was expected to be. I think the Cavs did a great job but they were helped too.Some of them might be coincidences but I have trouble believing all of them are. This year has been the most exciting playoffs, but also the first year I have really noticed officiating like this.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 19 2006, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude do you know how dumb you sound. Just figure it out. REFS MAKEMISTAKES!!! They are not perfect and gonna get every call. I know they'd do better than anyone else here. It's easy to notice violations when your watching games on tv. To the refs the players are moving a lto faster when your right there so it's harder to cathc things and plus almost every violation we see a replay of it to help us see if it really happened or not. The refs on the other hand just have to go by what they thought they saw and can't hesitate much to call it. You make it sound so easy to get every call.</div>I know refs make mistakes and it is a tough job. I had a lot of respect for them before this but this postseason has really been something. The worst officiating I have ever seen at any time in any sport.
Oh cry me a river, you guys make big deals out of every little thing like this is something new, it happens in every post season, it's just now in the past 15 or so years with all the media that everyone bitching about everything like it's the end of the world.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 20 2006, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh cry me a river, you guys make big deals out of every little thing like this is something new, it happens in every post season, it's just now in the past 15 or so years with all the media that everyone bitching about everything like it's the end of the world.</div>Well i really don't care what happened 15 or so years ago, i'm just stating what i've observed this past post season. As Arizona said, you would be naive to say that something isn't going on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ Jun 19 2006, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well i really don't care what happened 15 or so years ago, i'm just stating what i've observed this past post season. As Arizona said, you would be naive to say that something isn't going on.</div> Except nothing is going on...it's the nature of the game, you guys focus on the 5% of bad stuff that happens instead of the 95%. You guys are more outraged than most NBA players that have had to deal with bad calls forever...it happens...move on...if you lose the game on one call you probably didn't play well enough where you 'deserved' to win anyway. So you guys go put your tinfoil hats on and pretend that Stern is fixing games so that they all go to game sevens...i'll go back to just enjoying basketball while you guys bi*ch about the 5%.
Did you have to watch the Bucks this year? Didn't think so. You have no idea what I went through...I missed half their games because I had college classes on the FSN nights.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 20 2006, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you have to watch the Bucks this year? Didn't think so. You have no idea what I went through...I missed half their games because I had college classes on the FSN nights.</div>Lol, my local football team is 2-9 and lost their last 2 games by 60 point margins and i watch every single game. They've been the worst football team for the last 3 seasons and i watch every game even if there down by 10 or down by 100.Loyalty, Loyalty :happy0144:
Alrite, look, the referee call was OBVIOUS. The foul, was, okay, it was a BS call, though... and the backcourt violation should've been caught. I mean, one of those 3, Dallas might've won.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ Jun 19 2006, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alrite, look, the referee call was OBVIOUS. The foul, was, okay, it was a BS call, though... and the backcourt violation should've been caught. I mean, one of those 3, Dallas might've won.</div>Yeah dallas also maybe would've won if they would've driven some instead of also shooting. Hey they also might've won if the would've been able to stop Wade. Hey they even could've won if Howard would have made atleast one of the free throws and also if he would'nt have made that timeout call. Buddy there's a lot of ways the Mavs could've won and most of them are from if they wouldn't have made a msitake. Your team isnt perfect and sh*t happens. Figure that out.
