BCB posted in this thread like 30 times and he could have edited his posts and made it 5-6 times :thumbdn1:
I don't think it is rigged at all. I mean cmon guys. Stop complaing. It seems if your team doesn't win its all the refs fault or David sterns fault for rigging the games. Well, it is bull.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ Jun 20 2006, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You like to make everything sound stupid when it isn't. Does it sound farfetched that Stern may have told the refs prior to the season that to always gives the home team more calls? Because it has happened historically. Does it sound farfecthed that all he may have told them to protect the league's superstars? It has happened in the past and has happened during the playoffs.This doesn't sound as stupid as you might think it is, too many coincidences for it to be stupid.</div> Tim Legler was talking about this on Colin Cowherd's show...It's no coincidence that NBA teams play better an generally win more games at home, he said home teams are generally more aggresive because they have the fans rooting them on...he was great...He also explained that refs give aggressive teams the call more often then not...etc..and he said it was no different from when he played.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Jun 20 2006, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BCB posted in this thread like 30 times and he could have edited his posts and made it 5-6 times :thumbdn1:</div> Oh cry me a river, when you debate someone that doesn't listen to what you post you have to repeat yourself, he's still jabbering about the same stuff i've explained to him already. Like Stern telling the refs to call games certain ways...i've explained how it's illogical and posted about the 19 year retired ref that said it was ridiculous and something fans are wrong about...but no he keeps jabbering on about as if i've posted nothing in the past 2 days.
Dwyane WadeFirst Round FTs (6 games): 43-48 Conference Semifinals FTs (5 games): 42-53 Conference Finals FTs (6 games): 42-52Finals FTs (6 games): 75-97 :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:Of course you're going to drive the lane more if you get calls, but the Mavs weren't getting any. I don't see what the point is in sending Devin in again to get slammed on his back again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 21 2006, 03:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dwyane WadeFirst Round FTs (6 games): 43-48 Conference Semifinals FTs (5 games): 42-53 Conference Finals FTs (6 games): 42-52Finals FTs (6 games): 75-97 :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:Of course you're going to drive the lane more if you get calls, but the Mavs weren't getting any. I don't see what the point is in sending Devin in again to get slammed on his back again.</div>Never mind that Devin couldn't hit the open layup, and then when it looked like he'd make one, Shaq slams him to the ground for a no-call. But that stat tells it all, I think.The NBA is not rigged. The refs just suck. Anyone can tell you that. David Stern admits it. If you've read the new article by Bill Simmons on espn.com, that's a great read.Miami (specifically Wade) got more of the calls in this series. They also played better. When they get the calls, they can play their style of basketball (drive in every time!) and they're almost unbeatable. The Mavs didn't shoot well all series, and then wasted a good game by Dirk in Game 6. But they'll be back and win theirs in due time, rest assured.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 21 2006, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dwyane WadeFirst Round FTs (6 games): 43-48 Conference Semifinals FTs (5 games): 42-53 Conference Finals FTs (6 games): 42-52Finals FTs (6 games): 75-97 :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:Of course you're going to drive the lane more if you get calls, but the Mavs weren't getting any. I don't see what the point is in sending Devin in again to get slammed on his back again.</div> Dwyane Wade got all those FT's because he went to the basket most of the time...maybe the Mavs would have gotten more FT's if they didn't shoot so many jumpers. I don't know why people are bitching about the Mav's not getting FT's, hard to get fouls and to go to the line when your shooting three's. You lost 4 straight games, get over it.
Yes, and Wade wasn't going to the basket in earlier series. That's it.I think the officiating sucked but the NBA isn't rigged. That's that.
You're right. Wade outplayed him. Dirk and Shaq were taken out by double teams the entire series, and Dallas's role players couldn't step up.
I didn't see Dirk doubled as much as you are saying, when he went to drive was when he got doubled. Every other time he had man to man on him in the perimeter, either Posey, Walker or Udonis were guarding him. Shaq got an instant 2 bodies on him when he just touches the ball but Dirk had alot of freedom in the perimeter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Jun 21 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't see Dirk doubled as much as you are saying, when he went to drive was when he got doubled. Every other time he had man to man on him in the perimeter, either Posey, Walker or Udonis were guarding him. Shaq got an instant 2 bodies on him when he just touches the ball but Dirk had alot of freedom in the perimeter.</div>Most of Dirk's success in the postseason thus far has come on the drive. That's how the Heat neutralized him. He was able to drive on Memphis, San Antonio, Phoenix - but the Heat did a good job of doubling him when he tried to go to the basket so he had to pass it to Terry or Howard (who usually missed a wide-open 3).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 21 2006, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dwyane Wade got all those FT's because he went to the basket most of the time...maybe the Mavs would have gotten more FT's if they didn't shoot so many jumpers. I don't know why people are bitching about the Mav's not getting FT's, hard to get fouls and to go to the line when your shooting three's. You lost 4 straight games, get over it.</div>Do you honestly think he went to the basket nearly twice as much as in the previous series? I mean, come on. You didn't even watch all the games. Your opinion that it's just calls at the end of the game is just that, an opinion. And it's not a good one either, because I noticed unfair calls the whole playoffs, in many different parts of games. There's a reason that Dirk's FTs shot up against the Spurs and there's a reason Wade's shot up in this series. Don't be ignorant. Yeah, Wade drove more than the Mavericks; I realize that. But not enough to account for more than the entire Mavericks team. Certainly not enough to account for nearly double the free throws that he got in all of the first three series. And there were times in last night's game... 3 that I can think of, where he was not driving and got a phantom foul called. Yeah, that's right. I'm actually thinking of plays where he shot a jumper, no one touched him, and he got a foul. Mind-blowing, I know. Coincidentally, he had about the same PPG if you subtract the FTs. It's not that hard to figure out what happened.If you have any evidence better than "get over it," I'd like to see it. Some good statistics would be whether Dwyane had the ball more often, drove it more than in previous series, drove it more than the Mavericks entire squad, etc. I have yet to see you provide any evidence that isn't Bill O'Reilley-esque ("SHUT UP SHUT UP THAT'S NOT TRUE").And this is the article that Bowles was talking about. Funny how anyone who actually writes sports columns agrees with me.
I'm sorry Justice but i'm not reading anything from Bill Simmons. His opinion doesn't really matter to me, i'd much rather look at what former players and people that know what they are talking about have to say about the game. The Heat had 14 more FT's than the Mavericks because they were more agressive (Wade and Haslem). Maybe if Dirk drove to the basketball and played more aggresive he would have had more FT's but instead he threw up jumpers. I watched 3 of the finals games and a second half of a fourth game. (Sorry couldn't watch them all, I work).http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/...op-whining.html Read That.
JESUS CHRIST, what a hypocrite. You post a blog by some nobody that actually AGREES with me and Bill Simmons and pretty much everyone else. He admits that Bennett Salvatore is one of the worst refs in the game. I don't see how the Mavs went into game 6 complaining. They played hard, made shots, still didn't get calls, and lost by, once again, a few points. It was nice to say after game 5, "Hey Mavs, come on, you played well at home, stop complaining before the series is over. You'll get calls!" That's over now though, and what was promised did not come.If you can't watch the games, tape them. Otherwise, don't give a frail opinion of something you didn't even see. I'm telling you that Wade got calls, EVEN ON JUMPERS. You are claiming that he only got FTs because he drove. That's incorrect, because he got chincy fouls on jumpers as well. I ask you to disprove me, but instead you just repeat yourself. Not surprising coming from you. I expect you to repeat yourself again with more worthless drivel.Edit: You have proven to be one of the worst posters by being stubborn by not listening to arguments. When someone says, "Hey, look at evidence X!", you say, "I don't wanna." Weak.
I'm sorry BCB I'm not looking at Phil Taylor, his opinion doesn't really matter to me.Yeah, Avery whined a bit, and Cuban always whines. Big whoop. The players kept their heads and just played hard, and this is the first time Avery's ever had such an outburst. Maybe it was wrong. But the Mavs went out and played hard in Game 5 and 6, so that's probably not the case.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bowles @ Jun 21 2006, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry BCB I'm not looking at Phil Taylor, his opinion doesn't really matter to me.</div>Owned.
I am getting sick and tired of people saying that the league is rigged. Honestly, you have to understand that if the league was rigged, the biggest markets would be in the finals almost every year. San Antonio has been in the finals 3 of the last 8 years and they are a very small market. I personally dont think the officiating was that bad. Dwayne Wade went to the basket and he got fouled almost everytime that they called it. Dallas is more of a jumpshooting team so of course they aren't going to go to the line as muchREAD THIS IF YOU ARE A MAVS FAN!!!If the officiating is so one sided for Miami, please tell me why the refs didnt call the foul against Gary Payton in the closing seconds of last nights game. He gave dallas a chance to tie that game and send it in to overtime even though Gary Payton fouled Jason Terry at least 3 times. Get over it Mavs fans, the Heat were the better team. period
Instead of blaming the referee's why don't you fans grow up and realize that the Mavericks just didn't get it done. All this bitching from Mavericks fans ruined the series more than the few bad calls the referee's made.
BCB I'm sure you would be pissed if all the calls were biased against your team. Yes it is unfortunate that the refs were a big part of this series but that is the truth. The series was tainted but the Heat got it done. I saw Mourning fouling like crazy out there and Haslem knocking Dirk around while Dirk was trying to get position. The mavs wouldn't have beaten the spurs either if the refs were like this.
