You should be ashamed of yourself. Delonte got 12/4/5 last year, we might get Jay Williams, and there are many other FA PG's available, and who knows OG could improve over the off season? Dan Dickau is solid offensively even though he can't defend a chair. You don't draft backups in the lottery, and that's it. Please go ahead and argue with me, I'd like to hear what kind of reasons you have for wanting a PG when the likes of Gay etc...will be available at the seventh pick according to the latests mocks.
I don't really disagree with you, I agree drafting Marcus Williams wouldn't be that great of a pick, he might steal Pierce's laptop But what I do disagree with you is....<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dan Dickau is solid offensively even though he can't defend a chair</div>Actually I somewhat disagree, he is a chump on the defensive side of the game but also offensive. Dickau sucks, let's be honest. He's trade bait, there is a reason he's been on five teams in three years in the league. He shot 37% from the field in 19 games with us, like you said he's not a good defender...this guy has no upside. He's a new age nba journeyman.
okay, you say we shouldn't draft back-ups in the lottery? Do you think Morrison or Gay would start? Forget about positions, we need to fill roles. I personally don't think we need just another scorer, or a wing player period. Williams is very unselfish, he would fill the role of playmaker/distributor, which we definitely need. We can't go anywhere with Orien Greene as our back-up point. If he made a dramatic improvement over the summer, he still couldn't cut it as a solid back-up.And really, you can't trust all the mocks at all. We don't need Gay. We need a back-up pg, and a playmaker.
All I want to know from anyone is WHY IN THE HELL would you want a wing on this team? Pierce - SG and SF Wally - SF TA - SG Green - SG and SF Delonte - PG and SG Gomes - PF and SF Where the hell is their room for any wing? You guys talk about you want Peirce to stay, you want Gerald to develope - not happening espacially if you bring in a wing from this draft. Gerald would be at the very end of the bench once again and even the rookie wouldn't get great minutes behind Pierce/Wally plus Tony Allen. We are all set with wings god dammit haha. I just don't understand why anyone would be wanting one, unless they are hoping for a trade of either Pierce/Wally/Allen/Gerald. And if you are, it bugs me that you don't say that, you just "want a wing scorer off the bench" added to the team. Well, say goodbye to Gerald for another 2 years then, at least. If we are drafting a wing, the bottom line is that Pierce, Wally, Allen, or Green would have to be out the door just to create playing time. This team needs a PG and a big man.
I understand why this was made. Even though there is a surplus of PG talent on this team, its subpar past Delonte. Who knows what Jay Williams will be able to do in a real game. Hopefully he can get back, but I dont want the Celtics to touch that with a 15 foot pole. Orien showed flashes of brilliance last year, but for every one of those, there was about 5-10 minutes of floor time of complete lostness (if thats a word... ahhaha), and clear incompetence with him not being able to compete at that high of a level. He's clearly one of our better man defenders, but the guy couldnt hit the ocean with a jump shot if he was on a cruise ship. If he stays I dont even expect him to be back-up. I'd expect him to be an 11th or 12th man that comes in for a little spot defense when one of our PGs is in foul trouble. Also, with Dickau not hurt anymore we have him in the fold. I wouldnt mind seeing him traded. He was so good in New Orleans because they had no one else, and someone is bound to pick up the slack. It's just the facts, the guy isnt that great of a ball player.Given that, the obvious and logical choice would be Marcus Williams or Randy Foye. If you got Foye you'd get another combo-guard, a lot like Delonte, with a nice jump shot and a nose for the ball, and them two on the floor at the same time could cause problems for other teams despite being undersized. Then if we pick Williams, and move Delonte to the two, we have a great distributor, and playmaker for Pierce, Wally and Delonte. Even if we pick a PG to come off the bench for 20-25 minutes a game, it'd be a solid pick. Even though you probably want more value for the 7th overall pick, sometimes you need to think about your team as a whole while drafting, and not just the people in the draft, and where the guy is in relation to everyone else in talent. Dont get me wrong, I'd love Brandon Roy, Adam Morrison, Andrea Bargnani, etc. to be drafted by the Celtics just as much as the next guy, but at this point, it seems like the logical choice would be going with a PG.
I don't know why you guys spent so much time replying to this less than average posters comments. From what he's posted it doesn't seem like he has even a basic understanding of the Celtics. Just one comment.... Dan Dickau is just terrible. Last year he ballhogged in New Orleans and scored a few 20pt games and everyone was talking about his improvement and I kept telling everyone it was a joke. He's just not a good basketball player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dan Dickau is just terrible. Last year he ballhogged in New Orleans and scored a few 20pt games and everyone was talking about his improvement and I kept telling everyone it was a joke. He's just not a good basketball player.</div> :happy0144:totally agree, Ainge just loves white guys, that's why we got him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 20 2006, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>okay, you say we shouldn't draft back-ups in the lottery? Do you think Morrison or Gay would start? Forget about positions, we need to fill roles. I personally don't think we need just another scorer, or a wing player period. Williams is very unselfish, he would fill the role of playmaker/distributor, which we definitely need. We can't go anywhere with Orien Greene as our back-up point. If he made a dramatic improvement over the summer, he still couldn't cut it as a solid back-up.And really, you can't trust all the mocks at all. We don't need Gay. We need a back-up pg, and a playmaker.</div>you and the other two guys are complete morons. of course morrison and gay are going to start on the bench you expect them to start their rookie year? and COMEON, WHAT I MEAN is that when u draft in the lottery you expect the player to contribute dramatically or even be a star after he is given time to develop, NOT TO BACKUP EVENTUALLY. you fill holes with trades or free agent signings, not in the draft, thats why idiots like u would draft martell webster over chris paul cuz you need a wing guy (the blazers r doing great arent they?). you dont know anything about basketball. DELONTE IS OUR POINT GUARD, and there are plenty of free agents available. danny isnt stupid, and danny isnt going to touch williams or foye, just watch. celticballa-gomes will never be an sf, and delonte has been trained as a pg over the past 2 years. wally is not part of the future and expect him to be traded relatively soon, and pierce isnt part of the youth movement. tony allen is an ideal spark plug off the bench. the only guy u have on their who matters is gerald, and who knows where he'll go. yeah, king jamez, we need a backup pg, but not with the seventh pick in the draft buddy, thats not where you draft BACKUPS, thats where u draft future stars like i JUST SAID. and BCB, I'm not going to adress your comment just because wearing the sig you have must be embarassing enough already, and to think you actually CHOOSE to wear that..wow. FINAL POINT: if any of you (besides welcometothejungle) were the gm of the celtics they would go down the drain AGAIN. it's all about the BPA's and i guess you arent smart enough to understand that.
We all know her our PG is. You don't need to repeat it over and over. There is such thing as a backup, incase of injury/trade/etc.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KhAoS-CelticsFahLyfe @ Jun 21 2006, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you and the other two guys are complete morons. of course morrison and gay are going to start on the bench you expect them to start their rookie year? and COMEON, WHAT I MEAN is that when u draft in the lottery you expect the player to contribute dramatically or even be a star after he is given time to develop, NOT TO BACKUP EVENTUALLY. you fill holes with trades or free agent signings, not in the draft, thats why idiots like u would draft martell webster over chris paul cuz you need a wing guy (the blazers r doing great arent they?). you dont know anything about basketball. DELONTE IS OUR POINT GUARD, and there are plenty of free agents available. danny isnt stupid, and danny isnt going to touch williams or foye, just watch. celticballa-gomes will never be an sf, and delonte has been trained as a pg over the past 2 years. wally is not part of the future and expect him to be traded relatively soon, and pierce isnt part of the youth movement. tony allen is an ideal spark plug off the bench. the only guy u have on their who matters is gerald, and who knows where he'll go. yeah, king jamez, we need a backup pg, but not with the seventh pick in the draft buddy, thats not where you draft BACKUPS, thats where u draft future stars like i JUST SAID. and BCB, I'm not going to adress your comment just because wearing the sig you have must be embarassing enough already, and to think you actually CHOOSE to wear that..wow. FINAL POINT: if any of you (besides welcometothejungle) were the gm of the celtics they would go down the drain AGAIN. it's all about the BPA's and i guess you arent smart enough to understand that.</div>LOL Dogma is one of the most knowledgable members here. Hes defenetly more knowledgable than you. Same w/ CelticBalla. They both no 10x more than you. Next why wouldnt you need Marcus. Sure Delonte is becoming a decent player but he's not the type of player that will be playign 40 mpg. I eman you can easily use a better back up then Dan Dickau. Marcus would be a great backup pg and could ecome the starter in a few seasons over Delonte. Plus you guys have no pure pg like Williams. He could get you atleast 5+ apg as a rookie even as a bench player. Plus Gay and Morrison might not even be left still. The Bobcats relly like Gay and his stock has risen and there's a good chance Morrison isn't left either. BTW did you ever figure out that the Blazers had no need for cp3. They have a young player w/ star potential in Telfair. They had no need for a pg. They needed another sg/sf in Webster. Nobody expected Webster to do great in his first season. Hes the type of player you draft for the future. You seem to think you just draft for the best available player even if you dont need them. The Celtics hace no need for another wing player but they need more depth at the pg position. Theyre gonna draft for what they need.BTW your really showing how much you really nkow when you say for evidence "when the likes of Gay etc...will be available at the seventh pick according to the latests mocks."Since when are the latest mocks always right??? Ive seen mocks on CBS Sportsline, SI, Fox Sports, etc. and it seems like the person ho made it is a complete idiot. Never base anything on the latest mocks. Plus it shows you dont have much knowledge yourself if you base your opinions on mocks instead of using what you know instead.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 21 2006, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL Dogma is one of the most knowledgable members here. Hes defenetly more knowledgable than you. Same w/ CelticBalla. They both no 10x more than you. Next why wouldnt you need Marcus. Sure Delonte is becoming a decent player but he's not the type of player that will be playign 40 mpg. I eman you can easily use a better back up then Dan Dickau. Marcus would be a great backup pg and could ecome the starter in a few seasons over Delonte. Plus you guys have no pure pg like Williams. He could get you atleast 5+ apg as a rookie even as a bench player. Plus Gay and Morrison might not even be left still. The Bobcats relly like Gay and his stock has risen and there's a good chance Morrison isn't left either. BTW did you ever figure out that the Blazers had no need for cp3. They have a young player w/ star potential in Telfair. They had no need for a pg. They needed another sg/sf in Webster. Nobody expected Webster to do great in his first season. Hes the type of player you draft for the future. You seem to think you just draft for the best available player even if you dont need them. The Celtics hace no need for another wing player but they need more depth at the pg position. Theyre gonna draft for what they need.BTW your really showing how much you really nkow when you say for evidence "when the likes of Gay etc...will be available at the seventh pick according to the latests mocks."Since when are the latest mocks always right??? Ive seen mocks on CBS Sportsline, SI, Fox Sports, etc. and it seems like the person ho made it is a complete idiot. Never base anything on the latest mocks. Plus it shows you dont have much knowledge yourself if you base your opinions on mocks instead of using what you know instead.</div>oh yeah right cuz the pros writing are idiots and a bunch of douchebags on a forum know everything. I AM DONE WITH BBW CUZ U GUYS DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DRAFT OF THE GAME OF BASKETBALL YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED, and when we dont draft a pg i'll just laugh and remember how retarded you are
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KhAoS-CelticsFahLyfe @ Jun 21 2006, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh yeah right cuz the pros writing are idiots and a bunch of douchebags on a forum know everything. I AM DONE WITH BBW CUZ U GUYS DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DRAFT OF THE GAME OF BASKETBALL YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED, and when we dont draft a pg i'll just laugh and remember how retarded you are</div>Dude you have got to have the biggest ego I have ever seen. Dude your showing you have no knowledge yourself if all you do is go by mock drafts say. And to say no one here besides you has knowledge of the game of basketball is funny. And yes i have seen totally horrible mocks by so called "pros". Look at Greg Doyells mock draft on CBS Sportsline. its the worst Ive ever seen. And yes we all nkow about the draft to. People have different opnions. You need to learn that. No one here is always going to be have the same opinion as you but if they don't that doesn't mean your automatically right. Your not even one of the top 15 most knowledgable here. I mean since when are you Ainge and know what your team wants. Your saying you want Gay or Morisson but how do you know Ainge wants one of them. I know he hasn't been saying he wants them during workouts. Remember he's been liking bargnani or Aldridge. Plus Marcus Williams will most likely still be available. There's a very good chance Gay and Morrison are both gone by the 7th pick.
:HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:you might be the biggest idiot i've ever come across in my life! Sure, Danny MIGHT take Morrison if he slips,. but this team needs a pg. I can't believe you seriously said i know nothing about basketball. I've taken shits that know more about the game than you.hey retard, Portland drafted AFTER Chris Paul was selected, but nice try. That's beside the point anyways. Danny would've picked Chris Paul without a doubt, bc he knew he'd be a star. I'm not so sure that Morrison will be an actual star. He might be a heck of a scorer, but not a star.
You have great young talent at every position....backup PG seems like a logical choice because you guys have your starters in place and you may as well draft the best player available in Marcus Williams.If any of your starters goes down you have a good replacement except at PG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 22 2006, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:you might be the biggest idiot i've ever come across in my life! Sure, Danny MIGHT take Morrison if he slips,. but this team needs a pg. I can't believe you seriously said i know nothing about basketball. I've taken shits that know more about the game than you.hey retard, Portland drafted AFTER Chris Paul was selected, but nice try. That's beside the point anyways. Danny would've picked Chris Paul without a doubt, bc he knew he'd be a star. I'm not so sure that Morrison will be an actual star. He might be a heck of a scorer, but not a star.</div>If Im right i think he meant how Portland did trade away the third pick for the 6th since they didn't need t take Webster that high.
