i remember my friend was describing BYU when he was going there and I was here in SoCal for school. Most of the time they would sit down in their dorms and talk about where they were from. play board games and stupid shit like that. WTF. I think a big appeal for the school is they meet like-minded individuals that they "settle down" and get married to quickly after college. Its kind of creepy, the whole culture...but its their own schtick I guess. I guess to them, spending shitloads of time getting drunk what not is kind of weird too.
I've never understood why guys use the term slut when referring to a girl. Don't we all wish that girls were sluts? Why call them that. It makes them think twice about being promiscuous if they are afraid of a label that guys drop on girls without even thinking twice about.
I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (commonly known as the Mormon church) and attended BYU for my undergrad. Agoo has represented the honor code and school pretty well in his comments. While I recognize that Mormons are an easy target for jokes and ridicule because of our beliefs, I've seen several times on this forum that people have made statements that are flat out wrong or completely ignorant. Pre-marital sex is a big thing to the school and to the religion. While some Mormons do have premartial sex, most (the ones active in the faith anyway) do not. To assume we do have premarital simply because most of the world does is narrow minded and a little condescending. Assuming what Mick said about his Mormon friends is true (and I have no reason to believe it's not) those people are just fooling themselves or trying to justify doing things they know to be wrong. Even Mormons (as backwater as you may think we are) are not so ignorant to believe anal sex is not sex. As to Klinky's comments, I'm not sure if you were being completely serious since your comments have more than a hint of sarcasm, but the suspension for violating the HC has little to do with losing ones virginity. It has to do with violating a school rule. As with any school, they have a punishment for violating a school rule. In this case, the punishment is suspension from the team and possibly the school. Additionally, although I doubt you really care to know the answer and are just attempting to be funny again, I'll tell you how the honor code works. No, there isn't a medical exam to determine if you've had sex. You're required to get an ecclesiastical endorsement (approval from your religious leader) and sign an agreement stating that you have and will live by the standards stated in the honor code. So yes, one could forge it they wanted to, but that action kind of speaks for itself as to the type of person they are. Incidently, I appreciate your distain for the word slut. It's a horrible word to describe any woman. El Presidente: Yes, sitting down, talking to each other, getting to know each other, and playing games are pretty common at BYU. I'd imagine those are pretty nomral activities wherever you go to school; at least at some point during college. And yes, regardless of my religious views on the matter, I've never seen the appeal of drinking, and especially getting blind drunk. You all might be interested in knowing that BYU's top RB (Harvey Unga) was suspended from the football team last season for having sex as well. He was a 1000+ yard rusher for them. Just FYI. For the record, I have no problem with people making statements about disagreeing with my religion or even poking fun at some of "weird" things we do. I do, however, think it's only fair if I get to poke fun at the ignorance and stupidity of some those statements in return. =)
As someone who admires abstinence (before marriage, anyway) I still have a problem with kicking a player off a team for premarital sex. Perhaps a short suspension with counseling... this just strikes me as too radical for a general university.
I haven't seen anything that would indicate that Davies is Mormon. Only thing that I can find that says they have open enrollment was Yahoo! Answers, so take it for what its worth. An alleged alum of BYU said that its 98% Mormon and that you need a reference from your spiritual leader to attend. Also, because I'm curious about what else they have rules about and was clicking around their website, they require that men wear shorts that go to the knee or lower and prohibit sleevelessness. Maybe they do have double standards for basketball players!
Yes. Anyone can attend. They have to meet certain requirements (such as the honor code) that not many people outside the Mormon community are willing to or want to live by. Hence, it's likely true that 98% are Mormon. I don't know the actual percentage. Agoo, did you mean Davies instead of Givens? Davies is a Mormon. He was (and might still be) considering going on a mission. The length of shorts actually applies to women too. Obviously there are exceptions to the some of the standards, such as wearing a uniform, that would necessitate setting aside a rule like no sleeveless shirts.
I still haven't seen anything that would indicate that Givens is Mormon. Davies on the other hand...apparently they just haven't mentioned it in the stuff I've read. As for the uniform thing, just stirring the pot...hoping one of the atheists starts ranting about hypocrisy because its been a few weeks since I've seen that on here. In your experience, did folks who got booted for this come back?
You're definately not alone in those thoughts. Many BYU students agree wholeheartedly with your statement. I guess it boils down to how strict you are in your view of premarital sex. I completely understand why many may think it's a pretty harsh punishment. However, the ideals of the church and the school consider it to be a pretty serious offense. Agree or not, Davies knew this was the case. The school and the church are not without compassion and understanding. They aren't shunning or disowning him. They're simply holding him to a standard that he agreed to abide by.
Yes, Davies is Mormon. I don't know him personally, but someone I know does. I don't know for sure if Davies' girlfriend is Mormon, but I'd venture a guess that she is if she grew up in Pleasant Grove, Utah. Stirring the pot is all good. You just don't know sometimes if people are being serious and just don't know or are just poking fun. As weird/different/extreme as Mormons actually are compared to the general populous, people make them out to be even more weird. I don't know anyone personally that has been kicked out for sex. I know it happens (probably more than I would suspect), but the few stories I've heard about it, not many come back to BYU if they were suspended. I really think it's a case by case basis though. If the girl gets knocked up, for example, it's a hard atmosphere for her to be in. Even if no one judged her (or him), which, sadly, people would, being unmarried and pregnant walking around campus would undoubtably be very difficult for her. Personally, if the school allowed me to go back, I'd go back for financial reasons. You just can't beat the cost for the quality of education! $2,210 for Members (Mormons) and $4,420 for non-members per semester. EDIT: The reason for the price difference is much like in-state and out-of-state tuition. The cost of attending BYU is so cheap because it's subsidized by the tithes of church members. Essentially it's like paying taxes in your state so you get a reduced in-state tuition at a state school. That's how I look at it anyway. In case anyone is wondering, no, they don't audit you to see if you've paid tithing. As a member, however, you are expected to be a full tithe payer though; meaning paying 10% of your increase to the church.
Lots of 'nesians at BYU. They do a lot of missions out in the South Pacific I believe...pretty crazy stuff. One of my better friends in HS was a mormon and I didn't even know it for like 2 years. He really calmed down a lot after his mission. But he ended up getting married and now lives out in Provo. To me, its just weird that there are so many of them living in a community like that out in Utah. He was actually telling me to check out BYU for school. But the no drinking/sex thing...can't handle that.
Why would it be boring? The only things that excite you in life are alcohol, drugs, and premarital sex? As a Mormon, I've committed to live me life a certain way, but I can still do pretty much everything anyone else can do (with minor exceptions) and still live my religious beliefs. I read, I watch TV, I go to movies, I play sports, I work, I enjoy all kinds of music, I've been to clubs/dancing (not anytime recently however), I go on vacations, I even have sex with my wife (yes, just one). I really don't know what else in life I can't do that would make life boring except things that have been proven to harm you physically (alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, etc.) and potentially emotionally and psychologically (sex at too young of an age and without the emotional committment of marriage).
