White House Announces Resumption of Military Tribunals at Guantanamo

No. Both my posts were talking about how your generalization was wrong. You linked an article saying 61 are back on the battlefield.

Out of how many? What about the ones who didn't go? Not everybody in there would go back to a life of Jihad, some may not have ever done so. There have been articles on people wrongfully detained in there and they did not go back.

I understand why you would link that article, because it supports your position. But again, you are looking at this through only one point of view, the same PoV you are looking at every other political matter on this board.

 

You take internet posting way too seriously.

 

I think you misunderstand the left. These are people who believed beyond all reasonable evidence that Obama wasn't just another politician, that he was going to shake things up somehow. The left will still vote for Obama in 2012, no matter what happens. Obama is targeting on-the-fencers with this move, especially since the 2012 elections will probably be in the midst of continued turmoil in the developing world.

 

It was Reuters and it was a news story. If anything, Reuters has a left-leaning bias. I don't see how you can deny that we would be substantially worse off by releasing these people. As for your previous question, the number that have been released is roughly 200 prisoners, so we're talking pretty much one in three go back to jihad. And like I said before, those are the choirboys. Do we have much doubt what will happen when we release the real crazies?

 

You're right; I clearly don't understand the left. How someone could put so much belief in a politician rather than themselves. I guess it's true what they say: Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall into line.

 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but yeah. Pretty much.

My dad always said: Republicans are evil, Democrats are stupid. Same sentiment, I think.

 

No sarcasm. I just don't get it. My brother and sister both are really smart and credentialed people (certainly much smarter than I), and to them Obama is some kind of Messiah. They turn off their brains when they talk about him and fawn over him like followers of Jim Jones. Their friends are the same. It's really weird.

 

I don't get it either. Most of my friends are hardcore Obama supporters. We grew up together raging at the Bush administration and its supporters. Now, I see much of the same shit going on in the Obama administration, and they turn a blind eye consistently. They say much of the same things that the Bush apologists did. They use the same kinds of arguments that made us so mad when we were young. It's hard for me to talk politics with them because they refuse to believe that their guy is just another asshole politician.

In my experience, growing up with Bush bittered us to politics to such an extent, Obama was seen as more than a change of president, but a complete change of system. A system that we saw as broke and in need of replacement. It was an emotional investment. When it turned out that that wasn't the case so quickly, many of my friends refused to believe that it was business as usual. They blamed everyone but the administration.

I used the past tense here but I've since stopped talking with them about politics because it's so goddamn frustrating.

 

Good stuff. I totally understand. Repped.