Medford bus driver fired over confederate flag

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  1. santeesioux

    santeesioux Just keep on scrolling by

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    Smh Southern Oregon, really don't understand the fascination with the confederates and rednecks down here. We live in OREGON, not the south.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...e_group_in_dispute_over_confederate_flag.html
     
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    He should be able to have the flag. The school is clearly in the wrong here. It was on his truck, not on the bus.
     
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    I agree, but the guy is a douche lol.
     
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    He can't fly a flag, yet the Westboro Baptist Church can protest funerals? Are you kidding me? I feel this guys 1st Amendment rights have been violated and I hope he sues the shit out of the school.
     
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    Hmmm. Are they protesting funerals on school property or something? Not that I'm defending it. I just arguing the point you're making.
     
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    No, but they're spewing hatred and condoning the deaths of people. The guy flies the flag on his personal vehicle, not on the bus he drives, right?
     
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    Is he employed through the city or a private bus company?
     
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    Right, but this was the part that caught my eye:

     
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    I did a bad job at wording that...I meant to say its not like he is driving the flag on the bus that he drives. He drives it on his personal vehicle that just sits in the parking lot most of the day. If the company has a policy against bumper stickers, flags, etc...on personal vehicles in their parking lot, then I understand. If they don't...I really can't see how firing him is justified. He's got his political rights and 1st Amendment rights.

    I'm sure the guy is a douchebag if he is willing to throw away his job that feeds his family just because he doesn't want to take down his flag, but I just can't see how this is justified and I see a lawsuit against the school district in the near future.
     
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    The flag was on his CB antenna. Its not like a swastika.
     
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    They speak of a policy in the article quoted:

     
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    ^That settles it. They had the right to fire him over it.
     
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    The confederate flag was the flag of the confederate army. A flag specifically representing secession at best, racism at worst.
     
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    The US Flag is offensive to minorities too. I wonder if they would fire someone for having a Che Guerrera bumper sticker.
     
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    What minorities?
     
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    It's a tough line to define, that's for sure. I honestly think he should be reinstated, and the rule more clearly defined.
     
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    any one. The wording is open to interpretation. What constitutes something being offensive, its not definable.
     
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    Punishment can come from the legal system, an employer, peer pressure intimidation, your insurance company cancelling your policy, etc.

    The Westboro ruling fell under what the LEGAL SYSTEM can do to stop the demonstrations. Cemeteries, being PRIVATE, can continue to kick out the demonstrators, so they have to stand off the grounds on public property.

    The school bus driver case is about how an EMPLOYER can punish you, which is different from how the LAW can punish you. No one is advocating that the LAW punish him. This is similar to when your name appears in the media, so you get fired because some future customer MIGHT not like it, even though none have complained, and the employer MIGHT be embarrassed, without requiring any damages be proven by the EMPLOYER.

    Bonus: We've all been indoctrinated that we have certain freedoms, but that's FEDERAL law. Many states haven't legislated a few of those freedoms, so they can get you under STATE law.
     
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