What's a teacher make?

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. I double majored in International Relations and Romance Languages and Literature and an undergraduate. After college, I got a job in commerical real estate finance. The Venn diagram of my majors and my career not only don't touch, they aren't even on the same page.
     
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    I would be down for higher teacher pay if they had performance based evaluation, no tenure, no job security and if they had to watch their backs like everyone else.


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    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    As a merchant banker, you are employed at the whims and graces of your company and stockholders. They know the economy is not your fault, so you can pretty much take the criticism of people and 86 it, since they don't pay your salary.

    A teacher who works for public school system is at the whim of political blowhards who get a mob mentality, and suddenly the criticism of the teaching profession becomes a bit more threatening since politicians control the government budgets, which teachers are paid from.

    Your comparison is completely ridiculous.
     
  4. maxiep

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    Seriously, you think that winnowing process is difficult? I assure you, compared to most private sector jobs, it's not.
     
  5. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Fixed.
     
  6. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    This.
     
  7. Sug

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    I don't know if you were responsible for the crashing of the financial system, I am going to assume probably not. BUT, there are people from your industry are on TV everyday telling us how great they are, and how important they are. It is one of the top lobbied industries in the US , and during the meltdown there was no profession out there defending itself more than the banks. If you are not sure about this, go turn on the cable news channels and find the station with education news and 24 hour programming that has people from education going on and on for hours and hours.
     
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    No in the private sector, if you know someone you get the job.
     
  9. chris_in_pdx

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    I am trying to understand what this sentance has in it that's anything resembling a response to Sug's 5-Paragraph attempt at educating people about the teaching profession.
     
  10. maxiep

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    LOL. You really think our fund investors accept losses by saying "it's a bad economy" and then blow them off?
     
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    Did you see any of us picketing the US or a state capitol building or not showing up to work because we felt the government was treating us unfairly?
     
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    You have ABSOLUTELY no quantifiable data to back up your biased claim, other than a global hatred of government employees whom you suspect have no accountability. Sug attempted to describe to you what it took to be a teacher and to stay being a teacher, and you flushed that information down the rathole of your closed mind.
     
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    I think they sell the bad assets at a loss and move on. Which is kinda like blowing it off in order to move on to a better investment, am I wrong?
     
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    Did you see me or the majority of teachers in the US? Just curious.
     
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    First, try harder.

    In case you can't figure it out after thinking further, I'll state it simply: Sug tried to show how "difficult" it was to become a teacher. Comparatively, it's a cake walk. That was my point.
     
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    I think that the fund investors aren't concerned whether a peon like you, a cog in the machine, has a job or not, or how much you get paid. They take out their anger at the CEOs making the billions. It's the CEO trickling that shitstorm downhill that you need to be concerned about, but as long as he's still making his billions, he could give a rip, either.

    Since you have no data, proof, or anything other than your personal biases that think that Teachers are overpaid and coddled, but you do have a vote and can call up your governmental representative and piss and whine about the glorified babysitters that you think should be fired, you are a little more dangerous to them than the "fund investors" are to you.
     
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    That is such bullshit, if I walked away from teaching today I could have five jobs paying twice as much in companies simply because I know people that are at high level positions. In teaching, you cannot do that. You have to have the credentials which take time and money to obtain. Out of college I could have had a 200k a year gig in LA because my friend wanted me to come work with him. You are being ignorant again. Getting a job in teaching is not easy, it is one of the most difficult professions to obtain a position in.
     
  18. chris_in_pdx

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    Once again, no data, just a biased opinion, which is like most of your off topic posts.
     
  19. maxiep

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    The larger issue is the decline in opinions of teachers and the teaching profession as a whole. It used to be among the most respected of professions. However, after years of pouring more money into a system that hasn't produced improved results and watching the NEA and teachers unions put teachers and administrators over students time after time, the goodwill has been destroyed.

    It's brand destruction bigger than Schlitz, which used to be considered the premium beer brand in the world.
     
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    It still is, my students love me. The majority of people love their teachers, and respect them. There is a vocal minority of assholes who don't.
     

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