What's a teacher make?

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    You're wrong. First, an investor hands over their money and can't get their principal back for a specified period of time (2-10 years). Second, if you're underperforming, they're on you like white on rice. They have time and generally know other wealthy people (so word of mouth spreads quickly). If they decide to declare jihad on you and your fund, you're done. You'll never raise another fund again. I can't tell you how many times I've had to fly across the country so someone can ream me a new one and not allow me to explain my position. And if they can't get their money out early, they'll sue you.

    The last thing I can do is blow someone off.
     
  2. andalusian

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    I do not understand what the big fucking deal is - teachers work hard, they are allowed to complain about their jobs like the rest of us - they are going to get scrutinized by elected officials who "sign their checks" and by their "customers" - parents and kids - and at the end of the day, they know what they get in - the hard work, the lousy compensation, the crappy bureaucratic system - and they know what they get from it which is not reflect in their pay check - be it the summer vacations or the satisfaction or whatever. They get more security than most worker bees in the private section get - but they probably trade some of the monetary compensation for this safety. Life is always a set of choices - I have no problems with teachers complaints - some of them are right that they are under-appreciated, some of them are just bad. It's the nature of the game in every place.

    The reality of the situation is that they make what the market is willing to pay them - they have the right to speak their mind like anyone else - and the option to get out of the profession if they do not like it.

    I appreciate great teachers for what they do - just as I appreciate the other good professionals that cross my path and offer me services.
     
  3. chris_in_pdx

    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    Really? I see it more as a reflection of the state of parenting in this country, where kids have become annoyances and/or a "cramp in the style" of working parents (or parent, singular) and the teachers of the country have been expected to pick up the slack of raising these little entitled hellions, and when they fail because any and all methods of holding the kids accountable have been cut out from underneath them, suddenly it's all the teacher's faults. What, you can't make a diamond out of a pile of shit? What do we pay you for, anyway? Personally, I fail to see why anyone would want to become a teacher today. Mounds of mandates, paperwork, unappreciative students, parents, and management, shitty hours, low pay, and a public that's become poisoned against them because they can't fucking work miracles.
     
  4. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    No, it's a minority. I think most teachers are earnest and effective. The problem is your unions and the NEA protects the worst among you. What's even worse is that those institutions do it at the expense of taxpayers and children. You shouldn't be surprised there's anger out there. Weed out the bad actors, put the kids first and perhaps your industry can rebuild its brand.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    The above is just garbage and strawmen. Nothing more.

    Irrelevant. Just as irrelevant as how 99.99% of teachers wouldn't last an hour trying to do my job.
     
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    95% of teachers put kids first IMO, the other 5% got into the profession because they thought it was easy.
     
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    This is laughable. I encourage you to send your resume to my company and see how close you get to a job offer.
     
  9. chris_in_pdx

    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    He doesn't have to. One of the earlier arguments was in a public sector job, it's what you know. In a private sector job, it's WHO you know. So he doesn't give a shit about your company, since he apparently already has five companies where he has contacts and open job offers.
     
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    You do the same with a school district and let's see who gets the job first LMAO.
     
  11. maxiep

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    You're absolutely right. I'm only as good as my last investment. If I don't perform, it doesn't matter if I'm your best friend; I'm done. And it's not just anger directed at me while I try to do my job; my career is over.

    Please don't put words in my mouth; I can explain my position on my own just fine.

    I actually think teachers are underpaid. I simply don't like tenure or defined pensions. What that video reminds me of is that Chris Rock routine about how he loves black people but hates ******s.

    That video is the teacher equivalent of Chris Rock's ******.
     
  12. maxiep

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    Congratulations on your awesomeness; I'm sure your students bow before you knowing that you're too good for them.

    Your entire thought process gives away your biases. You're not focused on achievement, you're focused on credentials and the process. You're right that I would have a harder time getting a job at an elementary or secondary school than at a university. Does that relate to achievement or process? Of course it's the latter.
     
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    "but I know blazerboy30!!!!!"
     
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    Wow, in your world, teachers can't win, can they? Well, yes they can: if they work an efficient 8 hour day for non-competitive pay, shitty benefits, and the job security of a burger-flipper, churning out Rhodes Scholars from the inner city ghetto, and do it with a zen-like calm of the promise of an etherical reward that doesn't translate to real world perks but just to an inner satisfaction that they have helped society.

    Oh, and doesn't bat an eye, Jesus-like, when a pissed off parent screams at them for expecting little Tiffany to actually learn something rather than letting her play with her iPhone all day long.
     
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    I can see why you think that - but I am not sure I agree with the idea that teaching at a university is more of an achievement. The difference is that at university you basically teach adults that know how to behave - where in school you have to deal with kids and all that gets around it. From a purely professional / intellectual POV - you are right, it is more of an achievement to teach at university - the knowledge and technical know-how of the subject is higher and more refined - but since you can just concentrate on the technical know-how and do not need to deal with all the other stuff you need to do with kids and what is and is not appropriate. Also - there is more of a self-selection at university - if someone can not handle the material - it is his/her problem, not the instructors. This is not as easy at a school where teachers have to adjust to a more diverse selection of students - you can't just lift your hands and tell a kid "maybe you are too stupid for this class".

    The process is there, I suspect, to get people the experience and knowledge to handle all these things that teaching kids require - which are not directly related to the actual act of passing a specific curriculum to them. I do not think it is as black and white as you try to paint it.
     
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    non-competitive pay and shitty benefits? teachers get paid fairly well. When you factor they only work 8 months out of the year, its even more scaled to a full year.
     
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    8 months? LMAO
     
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    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    Teachers who have worked in the job for over 10 years get paid fairly well, and deserve it. Entry level teachers make shit.

    And the whole "9 (or 8?) months out of 12" crap has been laid to rest, except for the teacher haters.
     
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    I still don't get what the whining is about.

    Somebody explain to me why if you aren't happy with your job / compensation / benefits why you don't look for another job.
     
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    http://sportstwo.com/threads/178093-Work-Observations?highlight=lunch

    Apparently there are lazy workers in the private sector too. And they not only keep their jobs, but will get rewarded upon their evaluations. The hate on teachers here is insane. Yes, there are some bad teachers, but there are just as many, if not more, bad private sector workers.
     

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