Aldridge MRI as knee still hurts and some notes from todays practice

what a stupid thread this has deteriorated into

 

I'm fine with him playing 38-42. Not 50, though.

You say every player is different, yet you ask for data proving that LMA is playing too many minutes. What other data is there other than his own words and two MRIs?

Well thank you, since that's exactly what I said in the post that you've responded to.

Stats and data from what? You just posted that every player is different. What stats prove or disprove anything regarding LMA. Some will say that quotes and MRIs mean he may be playing too much. Others say quotes and MRIs mean nothing. Both are reasonable positions, but askingfor "stats" and "data" seems rather foolish (if you will) to me. What stats do you have that prove the LMA should be playing 50mpg? He's been less productive down the stretch the past 3 games, hasn't he?

 

Uh, ok. What is that based on?

No offense, but you really don't understand statistics. Statistics will never prove something for an individual sample (player). Just as with the pitcher example, the model doesn't prove anything for an individual player, but it suggests a trend that, on average, pitchers will follow.

You're welcome.

Meh. Like I said above, you don't understand what statistical models actually mean or do. They won't prove something for an individual, but they can help influence your decisions for an individual player. It is just like our discussion when I pulled the PER and USG data for every player and gave you a linear correlation model that you didn't understand. It didn't prove something for any individual, but it still suggested that there was a positive correlation between PER and USG.

 

"Meh"

"You don't get it"

"Like I said"

"You're welcome"

Fantastic reply, blazerboy.

I also understood the linear correlation between USG and PER; it just had no bearing at all on how that correlation applied to individual players, which was the entire point of that thread. A thread in which you were arguing against me, then realized that the data actually supported my opinions on outliers to some degree. Yet here you are again, asking for macro-level "stats/data" and trying to apply them as a tool of validiation people's opinions on LMA.

I still don't think you went to Stanford, btw, but that's for PMs, I guess.

 

Now you're just being silly, PapG. No point in trying to explain statistical models to you, or how to use them.

Clearly, it is obvious and common sense that LMA should be playing no more than 37.623 mpg. If you ask for data to back that claim up, you're a fool.

 

"What are the stats/data for LMA playing too many minutes"

"Stats/data will never prove anything for an individual player"

Awesome logic!

 

Those statements are not contradictory, when considering statistical models.

I realize that you don't understand statistics, which is why I'm done having a conversation with you on this. We'll just go with the 37.623mpg number that I stated above, and call it good.

 

Call what good? Your own analysis says that number means nothing in terms of assessing an individual player, which was the point of this thread.

You contradicted yourself, which should be obvious to almost everyone at this point. Of course you're done discussing this with me. you asked for correlating stats in order for RoyToy to back up his claims about LMA, yet you then also stated that these stats mean nothing in an individual case.

I hope you didn't go to Stanford. You didn't get your money's worth (or your parents didn't).

 

Gee, LMA now says he is tired and could use some rest.

Clearly he needs to consult the experts in this thread to get his head straight!

 

Even more funny is that blazerboy participated in this thread, yet had to ask me for the link to it.

 

Why I don't consider blazerboy an expert, in a nutshell.

 

I asked you for a link backing up this statement:

That doesn't exist in this thread. Do you have a link to actually backup your statement?

 

The funny thing is... Your understanding and knowledge of statistics is so incredibly bad (as you've shown many, many times), that you can't even see that those strawman statements aren't necessarily contradictory.

 

Clearly a statistical whiz like you has better things to do than arguing logic with a burger flipper/fry cook, right?

Those aren't strawman statements, either. Those are separate arguments that you have made on this board. Don't get mad at me because I called you out on a rather contradictory argument, Will Hunting. You asked for a link; I provided a link, unrelated to you, yet that included you. I then read the thread again, and see you tie yourself up in a logical pretzel, and instead of treating it as a learning experience, you get upset at me.

You didn't like them apples, did you Will?

 

STOMP gave examples of players playing big minutes without injury. His examples simply show that you can't apply the "high minutes will cause injury" claim to every player. Proving something false is a lot easier than proving something true. STOMP simply proved that statement false.

I was only asking for some data to show that there is a strong, weak or statically significant correlation between "high" minutes in a population. In addition to the strength of the correlation, you would need to know the size of the residuals in the data set. I would like to see some data that reducing a player's minutes to some magical number of 37 instead of the evil number of 41 actually affects the probability of injury. If people want a players minutes reduced, they should have some idea of how much to reduce them by. Without data, we can all pull guesses out of our asses, but it doesn't mean a thing.

With regard to LMA, the population correlation mentioned above wouldn't prove that reducing LMA's minutes would help. They would suggest that on average, in a population it would help. Then, depending on the data fit, you can make an estimate as to the confidence level with which it would apply to LMA. If the correlation from the population contained large residuals (which it would) we would need another set of data specific to LMA to improve the confidence that LMA's minutes are correlated with injury.

PapaG is misstating things because he doesn't understand statistics and is trying to pick a fight with me instead. Nothing new to see here.

 

5 down, 5 to go! HALF WAY THERE!

 

That's neat, but the debate was framed about LMA, and his comments on being tired.

Then why the fuck did you ask for them? They obviously also wouldn't prove that LMA playing extra minutes helps him. Also, since you apparently have defined the statistical parameters, why didn't/don't you just provide the statistics on your own, and explain to the rest of us dummies how they apply individually to LMA? LMA has said repeatedly that he is tired from playing so many minutes. Since you agree that no stat will prove this, don't we have to take him at his word?

You have defined the argument, yet you won't share your data. Better run to the correlation website and churn out some numbers that won't prove anything about LMA's individual case!

 

Inury is not tired. Sore is not pain. LMA is tired and sore, not injured and in pain.

 

Actually, this thread / debate was framed about LMA and his "soreness" and injury. Reading failure on your part....again.

You just keep making it extremely clear you don't understand statistics. Keep going with it... it is cute. I'll just leave it at this: You can't seem to comprehend the difference between "proving" something and showing a correlation.

Strange strawman and tangent to run off on. Ignored.

I asked if anybody had data to back up their claims. You're the one getting butthurt about it. I honestly don't know if the data exists or if a correlation exists. That is why I asked if anybody had something. That is was reasonable people do instead of just jumping to random conclusions about how many minutes a player *should* be playing.

See above about your lacking of reading comprehension and how this was about injury, not being tired. Westnob mentions that below as well.

I don't have the data, which is why I asked if anybody does. Not sure why that hurts your tender feelings so much.