(No April Fools) Bill Simmons sticks his nose in Greg Oden's business again

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  1. chris_in_pdx

    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110401&sportCat=nba

     
  2. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    If we could expand the deal such that we get Collison too, then I'm on board.
     
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    I'm disappointed that he mentioned BE and not S2. ;)
     
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    Soccer Moms Unite!

    Go Blazers
     
  5. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Fuck BE!
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Meh... I'd consider it, but I agree with Platypus.
     
  7. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Hey it's the biggest Blazer board out there. Their editors actually have media passes that give them access to home games, practices, and press conferences.

    I wonder if any other team has a message board/blog with that much traffic.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    A 7-footer who can stay on the court isn't exactly difference-making. While Przybilla was a nice enough player, it's not like the team is a younger Przybilla away from title contention.

    Indeed, how else. Whereas, Portland can surely get one very easily.

    Bill Simmons does a great job explaining why you'd much rather have Oden than Hibbert. So I'll pass on the deal from Portland's point of view. If Oden never gets healthy, Portland isn't a title contender...so, they'd be in exactly the same situation as if they dealt him for Hibbert. However, if Oden does have healthy seasons, Portland probably is a title contender.

    And, IMO, Collison doesn't change that calculus. Collison isn't as good as Andre Miller is now and Portland isn't a title contender now. While Collison has more years ahead, his ability level is not sufficient to elevate Portland higher than it is right now.

    Such a deal probably increases Portland's floor, but decreases their ceiling. Since my focus is always on maximizing championship potential, rather than getting the highest win certainty, that's a bad trade-off to me.
     
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    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    You don't need a super-star center to win a title.

    With Camby on his last legs, the team needs another competent big man. You can argue it isn't "the #1 priority", but it still needs to be dealt with. So does the long-term PG issue. You can't ignore these needs just because a super-duper-star isn't available. The holes still need to be plugged.
     
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    lol on the front page it says "(No April Fools) Bill Simmons sticks his nose in Greg Oden's..."
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    No, you don't and that wasn't my point. My point is that this team isn't a role-player or two from title contention. They're one more impact player away. Oden, if healthy, is an impact player. Neither Hibbert nor Collison is. So while Oden may not have a great chance at staying healthy, it's still above the 0% chance that a healthy Hibbert and Collison provide for another impact player.

    As I said, this type of deal would increase the team's floor...they'd be more certain to win, say, 50 games and maybe a round of the playoffs. But it would reduce their ceiling, by locking them into a talent base pretty clearly short of championship-caliber IMO.
     
  12. chris_in_pdx

    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    Superstars win championships. There have only been three teams in over 40 years of NBA basketball to win without a true superstar (1977 Blazers, 1978 Bullets, 2004 Pistons), and even the '77 Blazers is iffy due to Walton, as is the '78 Bullets with Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld.

    Greg Oden has the tools to become a superstar in this league. To cut him loose would be a mistake. The Blazers have too much invested in him and the upside is too great.
     
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    Well yes it doesn't have to be at center; but you do need a super-star to win a title.
     
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    Tends to be you need 2 super-stars to win a title. We have the making of one in LMA so Oden could be the other. (Parker was pretty much a SS the three he won with SA. The guy was just unstoppable when he penetrated and he could Penetrate on anyone. Probably why his wife left him).
     
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    for a smaller market in Stern's NBA, you need a guy who can move product nationally or he'll screw you with his refs. Oden is the only guy on the roster with the potential to do that as a truly dominant physical center is fascinating to the public like a heavy weight champ.

    STOMP
     
  16. chris_in_pdx

    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    You, sir, win the prize for the day for the flat-out truth.
     
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    anyone see the dude on blazersedge who claimed to have a friend who talked to mike conley sr (greg's agent) and got told that team oden is looking for "fresh start" somewhere else?
     
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    I read that. I have no idea if it is true, but it wouldn't be surprising if it was.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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