Game 2!

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  1. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    Jason Kidd is this year's Jason Richardson.
     
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    Exactly my concern. At this stage of his career, Kidd is a 3-pt specialist and a very respectable outside shooter. He wants that shot and our game plan was to dare him to take it??? Even worse, we were surprised that he kept making open looks? I just don't get the thinking. Make Stevenson, Marion, or Chandler take the open shots, not a future Hall of Famer with tons of playoff experience.
     
  3. TripTango

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    Your "3-pt specialist" shot 27% from behind the arc during the March and April regular season, averaging about 1.3 per game. In Dallas' 4 games against us he averaged 29%, hitting about 1.4 threes per game. Let him shoot.
     
  4. Klinky

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    Here are my tips:
    • There will be a new ref crew.
    • Nate needs to keep refs honest. Stay in their ear. Get a T if need be. If things are really going awry, get ejected. Coach ejected due to slimy calls gets more news.
    • We need to put some hard, intentional, fouls on Nowitzki. Make him scared of the interior.
    • Find out what defensive plays lead to Rudy or Miller being on Dirk. Neutralize these plays so only LaMarcus, Batum or Camby are on Dirk.
    • Get a bigger game from 2 of the following 3 players: Wallace, Matthews or Roy
    • Only leave Roy in if he is producing.
     
  5. handiman

    handiman Well-Known Member

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    So, you're going to value a recent cold stretch above what he's done the past 3-4 years? I'm betting on the clutch vet every time.
     
  6. TripTango

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    Really? If you're betting on the clutch vet to significantly (and consistently) exceed his career 32% postseason rate, you are probably going to lose your money. But don't let me (or the numbers) convince you otherwise... ;)
     
  7. handiman

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    He's never been left that wide open that consistently...

    Uh, what? The only relevant numbers are him shredding us in game 1 because we dared him to shoot. You're the one unconvinced by the numbers.
     
  8. TripTango

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    So, you're going to value a recent (and brief) hot stretch above what he's done the past 16 years? Can't have it both ways -- do you go with the one game outlier or everything else?

    P.S. Just to clarify, I'm not saying that we should leave ANYONE wide open if we can help it, including Kidd. He had some good looks, but he also nailed some shots that he should not have. It happens sometimes. Just don't try to paint him as some kind of deadeye that's going to torch us every game if we don't double him outside the arc, all because of a single outburst. He has a WORSE career 3P% than Nic, and yet in that game he hit 6 threes and Batum got 1 on mostly equally open shots. It happens. Let it go and move on.
     
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    That's ridiculous. I said his game 1 production was a result of him being intentionally left wide open. That has nothing to do with recent averages. He got hot because we practically begged him to shoot the only shot on the floor he wants to take these days.

    1) Who said anything about doubling him? That's a pretty poor comprehension of the topic.

    2) 40% 3-pt shooters are not a dime a dozen. Combined with tons of playoff experience, I'd say that qualifies him as as much of a deadeye as anyone in the series.

    3) His career percentage is totally irrelevant, as he was a terrible 3-pt shooter the bulk of his career. He totally transformed that part of his game when his athleticism declined.

    4) "Let it go" is a failure to acknowledge a faulty game plan and "moving on" means going home early...
     
  10. HailBlazers

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    Play Patti Mills.

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  11. magnifier661

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    They gotta keep with the same game plan. They did an awesome job on Dirk, until the refs called breathing on Dirk a foul in the 4th. Imagine if Wallace, Wes and Roy shot even 40% from the field. We would have blown them out. Kidd can't keep that type of performance up, nor will Wes, Roy and Wallace have that poor of a performance. Stick with what works, with some mix up, just to keep Dallas honest.
     
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    I've never quite understood why, when stuff starts happening like it was with Dirk, that you don't do the Shaq routine from 1999. When he'd get called for a touch foul, the next time down he'd lay a guy out hard and look to the ref like "that was your fault....THAT was a foul".

    BTW, Kurt Thomas is one of the current zen masters of this strategy.
     
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    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and thinking there will be a different result. After about the 4th "breath foul", someone should've realized that every piece of contact was going to be called, so get your money's worth before you head to the bench and he heads to the line. We have enough bodies to make this happen.
     
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    Would work with a team that is average on the free-throw line. But you have one of the best free throw shooting teams in the league; especially Dirk being a career 90% free-throw shooting getting the fouls. What we should have done is put in Chris to lay Dirk on the floor. At least make the fouls count. Show the refs that if they are going to call "breathing on the player fouls", then Portland will show you what a real foul is.
     
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    This almost perfectly sums up my last two posts. :)
     
  16. TripTango

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    I quote his sub-par March/April stats, as well as his season stats against us, and you tell me I'm too focused on recent history. I quote his unimpressive career stats, and you tell me I'm not focused enough. Clearly the Blazer's strategy against him (whatever it might have been) worked well enough during our most recent regular season games -- he was a combined 1-11 against us in 2011. Let him shoot.

    But whatever. "Let it go" means I'm done trying to convince you with statistics. "Moving on" means we'll see who was right about him as this series unfolds. I won't be afraid to admit I was wrong if Kidd continues this kind of production.
     

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