Magnifier, since you misinterpreted absolutely everything he said, requiring countless clarifications, you should reverse your name to Blurry.
You can't use reason and logic with someone that is unreasonable and illogical. He has already admitted that he makes linear arguments so he will skew facts that attempt to support his case.
PapaG often inserts a little zinger which makes it personal. But they are lightweight zingers, like knats instead of bees. His little personal zingers mildly annoy, but aren't big enough to hurt. So I have no complaints. That goes for all of you. I can easily take it. It's human nature to want to take the big guy down, so just keep trying. If I were in your tiny little shoes, I'd be doing the same thing, so I understand.
You just made me realize something. Do you have evidence that that wasn't the reason? Why would Allen keep the reason a secret if it were any other reason? There are other, lesser, theories, but the most likely is that Pritchard was fired for letting Sergio go. Don't think so? Then explain why any other theory would result in Allen keeping his reason secret. All right then. Questions? Good.
What case did I make? True of False: 1) Andre Miller is in the Top 20 in NBA career assists 2) Andre Miller has never been past the first round of the playoffs What facts did I skew? If my "argument" is linear, it should be easy for you to show which fact I skewed. Also, since I've never 'admitted' to making linear arguments, of the two of us, you seem to be the one skewing facts to make your own linear argument.
BNM, a man in his 50s, cares. The next step is for the lackeys in his repping circle to bow at his knee and author a "Me Too" post, with some Rep sprinkled on for taste.
Roy is an acceptable scapegoat. Posting a valid fact about Andre Miller is unacceptable. Bow at his knee, and thy shall Rep him!
the OP had a good point, it's weird that Miller has been so good for so long and yet never played on a team that won a playoff series. another point is that it's weird that Roy is a 3-time all-star, because only Tracy McGrady and Chris Bosh, Alvin Robertson and Steve Francis (in NBA HISTORY!) have 3 or more all-star appearances and no playoff series wins. Out of 189 players who qualify. That's like the bottom 2%. (Edit: quick perusal of multiple all-star list cross-referenced with ABA&NBA stats. No time to run a script for it, so I might've missed one of the old-timers)
Let's see both of these anomalies killed over the next 3 games! Both Miller and Roy are going to have to play well to end their respective streaks, although in terms of all-time NBA stats, Miller's is more of an outlier, IMO, just because of the amount of years he's been in the league to accumulate those stats.
A few more facts that may explain why Andre Miller has never been on a team that has won a playoff series. Basketball is a team sport. Teams win and lose games and win and lose playoff series. Miller has never played on a team that was favored to win a playoff series. In fact, in most cases the opposing teams were a much higher seed with > 10 more regular season victories. Miller has never played on a team with home court advantage in the playoffs. Miller has never played on a team with better than the 6th best record in the conference. Let's look at Miller's teams' regular season records vs. their first round opposition: Code: Season Miller's Team Opposition Delta 2003-04 43-39 58-24 -15 2004-05 49-33 59-23 -10 2005-06 44-38 47-35 -3 2007-08 40-42 59-23 -19 2008-09 41-41 59-23 -18 2009-10 50-32 54-28 -4 Total 267-225 336-156 -69 Average 44.5-37.5 56-26 -11.5 In general, Miller has played on a bunch of low seeded, mediocre teams, going up against a bunch of teams that won considerably more games and were heavily favored to win the series. Last year's Portland team was the first time Miller has ever played on a 50-win team, yet his teams' opposition has routinely won 54 to 59 games. There isn't a single example that shows Miller's teams have underachieved in the playoffs and lost a series they should have won. That's a fact. Saying shit like Andre Miller has never won a playoff series is just plane stupid. Individuals don't win and lose playoff series, teams do. And, the simple fact is Andre Miller has never played on a team that was good enough to win a playoff series against the opposition they faced. Anyone care to do the same exercise for Brandon Roy? Hint: historically, Roy's teams have underachieved 50% of the time during the post season. But, as I said, teams win and lose playoff series, not individual players. So, I'm not trying to pin the blame on Roy for his teams underachieving in the post season. Only an idiot would blame one player for such failures. BNM
BNM, I love Miller and I love Roy! I hope all of them, including Batum, Wes and even Mills do great the moment they step on the court. Last night showed that Miller, Wes and Roy could all co-exist and all be just as important to a win than anyone else. GO BLAZERS!
I don't disagree with any of that. I was specifically addressing the issue of Andre Miller's teams not winning in the playoffs and trying to show how stupid it is to assign blame to one player for losing a series and ignoring all the other factors (i.e. the quality of his teammates, the strength of the opposition, lack of home court advantage, etc.). Trying to draw (or imply) a conclusion based on a single factor in a multi-variable problem is illogical and just plain stupid when there are multiple, more significant factors involved. BNM
I'm still trying to figure out where I solely blame Miller for never winning a playoff series. Perhaps one of you experts, like BoobNoMore, can point out that post. The obvious troll, SlyPokerDog, seems to be a liar. Although, he does admit to not reading my posts as well, which makes him an ignorant liar.
I'm not a Miller critic, but one would answer you: When you blame his team for its mediocrity, that means you dole out blame to each player, with the point guard often the big wheel who deserves more blame than others. To be edited?
