GOP Candidates: Who does the best against Obama?

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    It sounds like he was talking about his brother.

    In an alternate universe, Jeb Bush would be a front runner for the GOP nomination--popular GOP governor in a swing state, hispanic family, smart, photogenic, etc.--but unfortunately for him he has the wrong last name.
     
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    I'd vote for Paul.

    But honestly, again, this is Obama's election to lose. We will see. The only person I'd vote over Obama right now is Ron Paul.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Four years ago at this point it seemed like a wide open race. Hillary was probably the favorite, then McCain and then probably Obama and Romney in a tie for third.

    I guess a lot of that is not having an incumbent president or a sitting VP running in 2008, as opposed to now. Still, it's kind of shocking that there aren't one or two people even being seriously mentioned as a favorite Republican candidate at this point.

    It demonstrates pretty clearly to me two things:

    1. Being the favorite at this point doesn't necessarily entitle you to anything. Hillary was and she lost.

    2. The Republicans are going to really struggle to come up with a candidate who will both appease the Tea Party crowd and still be electable among the 70% or so of American voters who don't have Tea Party leanings.

    My sense is that Tea Partiers, and consequently the whole party, would rather see a Barry Goldwater type Pyrrhic victory of a True Believer, than have somebody who is more moderate make it a close race.
     
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    Yeah, universe in the mirror, maybe so, but no. He was saying that a candidate from the larger states was needed for the sole purpose of fund raising and early votes. He mentioned that he had half a billion raised before he even announced he would run. The projection at this time is that Obummer had 3/4 of a billion last election, and they expect him to have over one billion to run with this next go around.

    Bush want nothing to do with the limelight, said it was fun, he is glad he did what he did. Pointed to several things that have come into being from what he started, but as far as doing the jimmy carter thing, going to grind zero and throwing a party over OBLs death, he found it to be in bad taste to do that where so many died.
     
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    44Thrilla cuatro cuatro

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    Actually, I think it was Hillary and Rudy Giuliani leading the polls, IIRC.
     
  6. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    So completely void of credible candidates, the Republican party's slim hope isn't even a real Republican and he opposes the bulk of the party platform.

    Good luck with that choice.
     
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    It's every billionaire's plan. Make the poor carry the country.
     
  8. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Interesting interview.

    I do wish the Republican party would completely ignore the religious right and choose a candidate like him. Not just because I think Obama would beat him, but because the religious culture war crap is old and tired. Gays, abortion, evolution, the war on Christmas....jeez. We've been rehashing this stuff for decades and it's not moving much in the Christian right's favor.

    Focus on the the economy and crime and war. When Democrats lose, I want them to lose because Republicans did better jobs of convincing the public about their solutions to real world problems. Not because a given candidate seemed to be more right with Jeebus.
     
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  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I thought he did extremely well in the debate last night.
     
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    seems to me the solution to this political quandary is to have a moderate candidate joined with a Tea Party VP candidate

    then once (by hook or by crook) they get the ticket elected the moderate meets an untimely death or suffers an epiphany and the business gets done to the US

    STOMP
     
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    Why?
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    This guy.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I can say this, and not in the least bit feel funny...

    I'd love some of that Johnson.
     
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    Paul and Johnson are the only two candidates I'd consider at this point. Odd that they're Republicans, since I've repeatedly been told that Libertarians (both are) clearly must favor Democrats.

    I've had numerous discussions with other Libertarians, and my suggestion was to spend all the party's efforts and money on one big prize, like governor of California, or one of the state's two senate seats. My thinking is that having one powerful voice in an influential office would be the best way to have the principles heard and gather popularity, rather than just losing all but a few lesser races and having the ideas not heard at all.

    Fortunately, the Democrats and Republicans are the best spokespeople for the Libertarian Party. At some point, people will (as Johnson says) realize that electing the same sorts of people over and over again isn't making anything any better. To this end, Paul's rise in popularity the past couple of elections is exactly because there is a voice to be heard and the press covers the republican (and democratic) debates a lot more than they do the Libertarian Party ones.

    It remains to be seen who the LP runs. I have no clue why they nominated Bob Barr last time around - he's no Libertarian.
     
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    Why ask why? Isn't it obvious?

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    I guess you are trying to be provocative or something? I've never heard anyone say that. It's pretty clear that the Libertarians are much more closely aligned with the Republicans at this point (so close, in fact, that it is somewhat difficult to tell them apart).

    I think you are on the right track. Your party needs to shed the loser label somehow if it is ever going to matter.

    And the Green Party, the Pirate party, the Satanic party, etc.

    You follow Libertarian politics pretty closely to not have any clue why they nominated Barr, don't you think?

    barfo
     
  20. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Barr certainly has more name recognition than most of the other guys who've been the nominee, but he barely talks like a Libertarian some of the time. He has a long track record as congressman that points to him not being so much a Libertarian.

    That's why I don't have a clue why they nominated him.

    You might look at how the LP was started - it was all disaffected Republicans in the Nixon era. And Nixon was a liberal republican. There is no Liberty Caucus in the Democratic Party, but there is one in the Republican Party.

    http://www.rlc.org/
     

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