Oden and Batum for Kyrie Irving? would you do it?

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  1. Ghost Pepper

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    Boozer, Deng, Brand, Maggette,Battier..... All solid role players at best, not one of them do you build a team around. To give up a once in a decade center and a 22 year old version of T Prince for a Duke player that played about as many games as Oden in his first year is not only a risk but a dare to see if we can go 3-3 in all time big draft busts!

    No way!
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Boozer and Brand in their primes are/were at least good 2nd fiddles.

    Besides that, I still think the "Duke player" argument is a silly way to argue against a player...
     
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    Brand averaged 20/10 up tell two years ago when he went down with a knee injury. Brand was a legit #1 option.
     
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    Okay....


    Let's throw out he's a Duke player for a minute and go to fact. He's been injured for half his freshman year and has to wear a corrective insert already for life.

    Is that not enough bad mojo for most of you to say next? Especially after Oden and Roy?
     
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    I would make that trade in a second. Irving will be the next Paul, Deron Williams type PG. He's a baller.
     
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    This thread will be bump worthy in a couple years.
     
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    Ain't that the truth. I wish I had bookmarked some of the threads where people said they wouldn't trade Oden for Howard!
     
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    Why would a team with a #1 or #2 pick trade a potential franchise PG for an oft-injured and unsigned center, and a solid role player who has struggled in the playoffs?

    I think it would take LMA in an offer for Irving, and not Oden, and only for a team with a PG. Of the lottery teams, who may want to do a deal for LMA if they luck into the #1 or #2 pick?

    Minnesota - spent three #1 picks on PGs two years ago, hold right to Rubio. If they go PG, they would probably want Irving and trade the rights to Rubio, who has been terrible this year in Spain.

    Cleveland - would pick Irving over trade.

    Toronto - have Bargnani, and Calderon and Bayless are adequate. Maybe...

    Washington - a definite possiblity, and need help in the front-court.

    Sacramento - would pick Irving, IMO

    Utah - would pick Irving, IMO, and look to trade Devin Harris. Perhaps a LMA/Miller for Favors/Harris/filler would be attractive to the Jazz if they luck out in the lottery.

    Detroit - would pick Irving, IMO

    Charlotte - would pick Irving, IMO

    Milwaukee - potential trade partner if LMA is included.

    Golden State - potential trade partner, would love LMA. Maybe the best chance to get Irving, but odds are low they will pick high.

    Phoenix - would pick Irving, IMO, and perhaps look to deal Nash to a contender in order to rebuild.

    Houston - would pick Irving, IMO, and perhaps look to deal Lowry.

    I think the odds are very, very low that Portland could trade up to a place high enough to draft Irving, and I think it would have to be a package where LMA is dealt, and the Blazers take on a contract in exchange.
     
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    Good lineup, but I'd disagree at Utah and GSW, and maybe PHX.

    Utah and PHX are places where I could see Derrick Williams going to instead of Irving. As many have said, while I think he's probably the safest #1 pick in this draft, I don't think people see him as a Rose (or even Wall-) level of superstar PG. PHX can either extend Nash's service life a couple of years, or trade him later. I think that UTH would keep Harris and try to get talent to fill out other areas. GSW might keep Irving (more of a pure point and better with Ellis) and trade Curry and stuff for LMA. Not that I personally would do that, but I think that's a closer plan the trading Irving for LMA.
     
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    Yeah, those are good points, Brian. Plus, I was operating under the assumption that it would take a top 2 pick for Irving, and you're probably right about Derrick Williams for Utah, or any team that lands at #1. If Utah gets #2, though, then a deal for Irving may be a possibility. Might have to take on either Millsap or Al Jefferson, though, and if it were Millsap involved in a deal for LMA, that would be fitting, wouldn't it?

    The target should be the #2 pick, and the odds of finding a willing trade partner for what the Blazers have to offer seems almost nil.
     
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    Me too. I remember how I often posted I wanted to trade for Mike Conley when he was in the doghouse in Memphis and perhaps could have been had for Outlaw or something similar, so many said NO, oh well another ship has sailed
     
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    Why? one word answer is K A H N !! add to that Rubio is rumored to be signed soon and it might not be that far out a fantasy
     
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