I think that this is a fine pick. Bargnani is 7 foot 1 so its not like he cant play down low. There arent that many dominant big men in the league so the raptors will be able to get away with putting him at the center position. He has great offensive skills and will be instant offense for the raps IMO. Its impossible to go by stats with foreign players because of minutes and that kind of stuff so dont judge him on that. The spurs drafted and traded a guy from Croatia that was the player of his league and he averaged like 8 points a game.....so you know that statistics arent going to be near as good over seas. Bargnani will fit in right with toronto because of his offensive capability. He might want to add one some weight but not if it hinderes him on the offensive end...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 30 2006, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And to BCB, your overrating him a lot. He is not a good post player at all, he has the stature of Tyson Chandler,he cant block shots either. He isnt even that amazing of a shooter. What was it 15 ppg in euroleague? how is that amazing. Like I said JJ Reddick or maybe even a rich mans Pittsnogle. But in no way deserving of 1st pick,espically on a team stacked at PF. All i have to say is,Bosh better be working hard on gaining some mass this offseason, or this team is going to look even worse.</div> Yeah, all these scouts must be wrong. Your right he's definatly a bigger version of J.J. Redick and Kevin Pittsnogle, are you f*cking serious? The guy is only 20 years old, played on the best team Europe, had lights out games when he got a lot of minutes but because of his age he didn't get a lot of minutes all the time. He played with lots of stars like Thabo Sefolosha for example. The guy has loads of talent, ask any scout or any basketball fan in Italy. If he stayed in Italy he would be dominating in a couple of years. 7'1" 250 pounds, great speed, shot, moves, awareness. Yeah his defense needs work so do lots of other draftee's and so did Dirk Nowitzki. I wish people would get off this guys dick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 30 2006, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, all these scouts must be wrong. Your right he's definatly a bigger version of J.J. Redick and Kevin Pittsnogle, are you f*cking serious? The guy is only 20 years old, played on the best team Europe, had lights out games when he got a lot of minutes but because of his age he didn't get a lot of minutes all the time. He played with lots of stars like Thabo Sefolosha for example. The guy has loads of talent, ask any scout or any basketball fan in Italy. If he stayed in Italy he would be dominating in a couple of years. 7'1" 250 pounds, great speed, shot, moves, awareness. Yeah his defense needs work so do lots of other draftee's and so did Dirk Nowitzki. I wish people would get off this guys dick.</div>hahah...The only think i disagree with what BCB said is the part about getting off his dick. When you use that phrase, its suppossed to be used when people are praising him all the time....haha. But i agree with everything else he said exactley. Young players in Europe do not get sufficient minutes so it is extremley unfiar to use statistics. So, 15 ppg in the BEST euro league in the world is very good. Especially for a 20 year old.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 30 2006, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, all these scouts must be wrong. Your right he's definatly a bigger version of J.J. Redick and Kevin Pittsnogle, are you f*cking serious? The guy is only 20 years old, played on the best team Europe, had lights out games when he got a lot of minutes but because of his age he didn't get a lot of minutes all the time. He played with lots of stars like Thabo Sefolosha for example. The guy has loads of talent, ask any scout or any basketball fan in Italy. If he stayed in Italy he would be dominating in a couple of years. 7'1" 250 pounds, great speed, shot, moves, awareness. Yeah his defense needs work so do lots of other draftee's and so did Dirk Nowitzki. I wish people would get off this guys dick.</div>All i have to say is, are these the same european scouts who said Darko will be better then Lebron,Dwade,Melo,Bosh,and Hinrich?
Well, you cant say anything about him till we see him play in the NBA, right now he has just about the same chance as anyone else in this draft class to become a star. Its not like all European players turn out to be busts.
I honestly didn't think he should've been the first pick in the draft but it was probably because of his potential and similarities and comparasins to Dirk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 30 2006, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All i have to say is, are these the same european scouts who said Darko will be better then Lebron,Dwade,Melo,Bosh,and Hinrich?</div> This is a mistake people make when dissing Bargnani. Darko Milicic was being scouted when he was only 17 and was drafted only a few days after his 18th birthday. Scouts never got to see Milicic because he never played, never, scouts would go to Serbia to see him and they would watch him sit on the bench. In 2003 he was a major foreign talent and still is but he was taken too early in his development and it ruined him just like Nikoloz Tskitishvili, scouts just heard about his amazing physical skills and like Milicic never played. Bargnani is 20 and it's a good thing he's going to the NBA now, i'm sure if Tskitishvili and Milicic waited 3 years they would have been much better off and more ready to come over. But the difference between Bargnani and the others is he actually plays and scouts get to see him. The guy has some monster games over the last year against the best competition in Europe/Spain while helping his team win the Spanish title.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 30 2006, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>About Kmarts post, Brian Coangelo is very overrated. He isnt known to be an amazing draft day GM but very good at making deals through trades, so just because he drafts someone doesnt make them the next Dirk.</div>I'm not saying he's the next Dirk, I'm just saying you haven't seen him play much, as you admitted, whereas the Raptors front office has. They've heavily scouted this guy, and there's a reason he was predicted to be a Top 5 pick. Dont speculate about this guy. considering you obviously know nothing about him.I know nothing about him. I don't think he'll be great nor bad. For now, I'm jsut waiting to actually see him play.To tell you the truth, out of specualtion, I agree with you in every aspect. But both of us know jacshit about him, so let's leave it be
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 30 2006, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All i have to say is, are these the same european scouts who said Darko will be better then Lebron,Dwade,Melo,Bosh,and Hinrich?</div>No scouts said he would be better than Melo Bosh, Wade or Hinrich. Milicic impressed Detroit in a private workout. He wasn't even really on the map before that. and NO ONE said he would be better than lebron.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 1 2006, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No scouts said he would be better than Melo Bosh, Wade or Hinrich. Milicic impressed Detroit in a private workout. He wasn't even really on the map before that. and NO ONE said he would be better than lebron.</div>To add to that, they also drafted Milici on potential. They thought he could really be something in the future, just because of his one good workout with the Pistons, and because he was only 18, 19 years old..
Darko Milicic was a top 3 pick before he worked out with Detroit. It wasn't just a good workout, he had been on the radar for a while.
Why?Because the NBA has gotten to a shooting stage, and players that are big and can shoot are valued more and they are very valuable. He has the talent to be so versatile offensively, and help us out scoring the ball. We can't really avoid that when it comes down to it. I'm guessing that LaMarcus had cold feet coming to Toronto, and that's why we declined on him. Bargnani is said to be athletic too, and that he can get to the hole pretty well. He is a 7"0 guy that can shoot the lights out. That's pretty much why...Not making any comparisons here, but he could be the next Dirk Nowitzki..
