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  1. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    This was sent to me by my boss's boss. I'm not necessarily agreeing with it, but thought I'd post it for possible debate:

    In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinborough, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

    "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

    "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations mostly progressed through the following sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage."
    The Obituary follows:

    Born 1776, Died 2008

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

    Number of States won by:
    Obama: 19
    McCain: 29
    Square miles of land won by:
    Obama: 580,000
    McCain: 2,427,000
    Population of counties won by:
    Obama: 127 million
    McCain: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
    Obama: 13.2
    McCain: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

    Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
     
  2. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    I mean, that last sentence is plain idiocy.
     
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    Paxil Active Member

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  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    The part about people voting themselves tea and circuses is true, though.
     
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    Paxil Active Member

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    That is what worries me about Oregon's ballot measures... sometimes I think we ovte for things that sound good without considering where the money etc... will come from for it.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    But isn't that always the issue left undefined by our politicians? It seems to me that there are plenty of well-meaning folks who have great ideas in government (only very few do I believe are craven and view increased government as increased power). The problem is they don't bother to ask two fundamental questions: 1) is it the role of government to engage in such a project? and; 2) how will the project be paid for?

    It seems to me of those two questions were fully debated before any government program were enacted, we would all be much better off.
     
  7. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    Good find. I was thinking of running it thru Snopes, but thought since it came from on high...
     
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    Agreed. Our revenue streams go up and down though also though... so it is hard to predict exactly what we have money for.
     
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    HailBlazers RipCity

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    CHANGE... CHANGE !!! Oh yea give me some of that, don't know what it is but I want it!



    Sometimes!?!? Try most the time, people are so Nice around here, appeal to their heart and their head goes out the window
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I like the ballot measures process. I think the people get it right more than politicians do.

    Personally I think we'd be a whole hell of a lot better off if we had national ballot measures instead of leaving everything up to congress. I know the health care bill wouldn't have gone down like it did. There would have been no way in hell the mail carriers could have delivered a 10,000 page voters pamphlet to every voter in the country.
     
  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    My preference would be a national ballot initiative and a requirement that one would need to pass to either borrow money or raise taxes. Congress can put such measures up for a vote if they feel they must spend more than the existing taxes and fees bring in.
     
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    Ed O Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    A basic problem with defining how "every" Democracy/Republic/Democratic Republic fails is one of sample size.

    Athens. Rome. England (very briefly in the 1600's).

    Maybe there were some Italian states intermingled, but for the most part Democratic Republics just aren't common. EVERY type of government ends eventually, and so even if we accept root causes for the failure of governments akin to our own, I'm not sure that the knowledge is particularly helpful.

    Ed O.
     
  13. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes, if only acreage voted, McCain would have won. Too bad people have the vote in this country instead of land?

    I hope your boss's boss sent that to you personally because he knows you like that sort of stuff, and he didn't spam the whole company with it.

    barfo
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Unfortunately, some problems actually are complex.

    barfo
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    The whole Chaca Nation should meet in the Great Kiva to decide the issues.

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    Shooter Unanimously Great

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    Think again. Snopes is a leftist website with its own agenda. I wouldn't consider it a source of objective truth.
     
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  17. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    For once, I agree.
     

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