Mock Draft: Blazers select Lucas Nogueira (C)

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  1. PapaG

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    Sure I have. He's not a true PG, which is why he isn't a projected lottery pick. His NBA position is uncertain.

    Also, weren't you raving about Demetri McCamey last year? I can't find him in any first-round mock, although NBAdraft.net has him going to Portland at #51, which is impossible.
     
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    Age>Height>Weight

    Nogueira is basically a clone of Tyson Chandler when he came out of HS.
     
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    Oh really? How many apg did Jackson average as a freshman? Dude is a tweener. If you can't accept that opinion on him, which isn't just mine, then no big deal to me.

    Compare Bayless' freshman season with Jackson's junior season. I'd say compare any Jackson season to Bayless' one year at Arizona, but Jackson couldn't shoot the ball his first two years (<30% from 3pt).

    Red flags. Hell, NBAdraft.net has him in the 2nd round at this point.
     
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    So, I googled draft "reggie jackson" -"bleacher report" to find news articles with some analysis of Jackson's game/draft stock. These are the first three results I found:

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19782

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?page=5-on-5-110517

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nba-mock-draft-20110518,0,581674.story

    Could you point me toward some analysis of him (other than yours) that indicates that he's not a true point guard?

    EDIT: OH, I just read NBAdraft.net--almost your words verbatim. Interesting... Of course, that write-up is also over 16months old, so I don't really put any value in it.
     
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    http://www.google.com/search?q=regg...r&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=e5fa828e5bee98d1
     
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    Analysis of the top-10 results:
    • one Boston Herald blog post that was reposted four separate times;
    • the aforementioned obsolete NBAdraft.net writeup;
    • a draftexpress writeup that never mentions the word "tweener" and calls him a point guard (not a PG/SG as they do with "tweeners");
    • three compilation articles that apply that word to other prospects, but not to Jackson;
    • and a Bleacher Report (worthless).
    Not very compelling evidence for your case, and once again, very lazy. Care to try again?
     
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    I think he is a tweener. That's my "case", so to speak. It's otherwise known as an opinion. Time will tell what Jackson becomes; getting all pissy about labels at this point seems boring to me.
     
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    One could also do searches on "combo guard", or "comination guard", or even "PG/SG" for Reggie Jackson to find more examples, but I don't want to accuse anyone of being "lazy".
     
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    Hmm--I thought this discussion was quite entertaining. Honestly though, if you hadn't been so dogmatic in your "tweener" assertion, I probably wouldn't have bothered. Oh well, to each his own. In all reality, I'm even more sold on Jackson now than before we started, so thanks for that. :)

    To be fair, I never called you lazy; I called your efforts in supporting your position lazy. A fine line, I guess. And I imagine that one could find more examples, if so inclined; however, since I'm not the one arguing that position, I have no reason to do so.
     
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/colleges
     
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    Really? I'm finding a lot more articles that call him a combination guard (you seem stuck on the word "tweener") than call him a true PG as I research him.
     
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    I just want to say this for the record. I don't think any of the picks in this draft are worth arguing about. Whether it's a "turd burger" or a "turd sandwich" kind of misses the point.
     
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    Good for you; you have fun looking at articles that do nothing more than place a label on him, and I'll ignore those in favor of those which contain actual analysis of his game and how it's likely to translate to the pros. As I said before, to each his own.
     
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    He might be a great pro for all I know. Being a combo guard doesn't mean one can't be a very good NBA player. Look at Russell Westbrook, who still can't decide what he wants to be, or what he is.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were the one who got upset for me placing a label on him, weren't you? If the Blazers draft him, and he becomes a great pure PG, or a great combo guard, then I don't care either way. :cheers:
     
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    Upset? No, not at all. I simply questioned your claims ("can't shoot" & "tweener") with statistical evidence to the contrary; then I maligned your Bayless comparison, and off we went. Good times, good times...
     
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    I still think that he only had one great shooting season out of 3 at BC. Whether he made a quantam leap, or he got a lot of good bounces, will prove itself over time. Bayless shot 41% from 3pt at Arizona, and I don't think anybody in Portland would call him a good outside shooter.

    Statistically, the Bayless comparison is appropriate, IMO. You were arguing the difference of 0.5 apg and 0.5 topg as being a big difference. To me, it's not.
     
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    He's arguing for the sake of an argument. He's never seen him play. Don't bother.
     
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