BogutVillanuevaSimmonsReddWilliamsVERY solid. BCB, I most certainly understand why you may not like the trade, I mean T.J. Ford is an excellent young point and is great with running an offense. But look on the bright side man, Villanueva has future All-Star written all over him, and this will improve your frontline drastically and the rebounding numbers will go up, and also Mo Williams is still a solid option at the 1. Charlie Bell is a nice young combo guard as well. I still think you should go out and get another PG, but if you do not, you are still at least solid at the 1.Villanueva will bring versatility to the team and he can play the 4 and the 3 well, and he has a nice inside-outside game. He works hard and he's a good guy, and he also actually is a much better passer than much people know. I like this deal for both teams.
I know, eh, with Terry Stotts and the with the Bucks staff Villanueva will never be pushed to play better defense. I've liked Baluganueva for a long time and supported him here but I don't know, from what I hear T.J. Ford was going to ask for a big contract anyway.
Charlie will not be too bad in Milwaukee now that i think about it. He will go right in to the starting lineup because Bogut will be the starting center because i am guessing that Magloire will be gone when the season starts. Perhaps they are trying to trade magloire for a pg. that would make the most sense to me...
http://www.nba.com/bucks/news/Villanueva_A...red_060630.htmlSucks, for the bucks. Cool for the Raps. They are gonna own next season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nemesis @ Jun 30 2006, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.nba.com/bucks/news/Villanueva_A...red_060630.htmlSucks, for the bucks. Cool for the Raps. They are gonna own next season.</div>they still arent going to be that good....better but at best .500 IMO
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nemesis @ Jul 1 2006, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.nba.com/bucks/news/Villanueva_A...red_060630.htmlSucks, for the bucks. Cool for the Raps. They are gonna own next season.</div> I doubt it...they have a very young team and they have little depth.
Wow..its nice to get home and see this..CV31, can go be a star somewhere else, and now TJ can run a team by himself. Both should prove alot next year. I like this for both teams, they both fill vital needs and they get good player in return
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nemesis @ Jun 30 2006, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sucks, for the bucks. Cool for the Raps. They are gonna own next season.</div>I wouldnt say that the raps are gonna own next season because right now they have, in the words of Stephen A. Smith, "Rasho Nesterovic!" as there best center. I mean seriously as Stephen A. has said before, "Rasho is good for 2 points and 2 rebounds every other night!"
Toronto was probably planning this all along when the draft hit. I don't know if they did the right thing by trade Villanueva. He did play very well last year and can do a lot of things for the Toronto club that Ford can't do. Plus what happens if Bargnani is a bust? Then they traded all that talent for T.J. Ford who hasn't completely showed what he can do in a full season. He slowed down last year for the Bucks.All in all, its a good trade for the Raps if Bargnani becomes a solid player and T.J. Ford develops. The Bucks are still getting a great player in Villanueva and they still have a young Mo Williams to play PG. So I beleive that the Bucks won this trade until Ford and Bargnani prove that they can play well for the Raptors.
Milwaukee might actually make a run at Jason Terry - a sign-and-trade with Dallas, maybe. It's extremely unlikely, but that may be the best case scenario. They'd have to offer him a ton and they'd have to give Bobby Simmons and maybe a future pick to Dallas, but I really can't see it happening. He's very close to resigning, anyway, and he wants to stay and Dallas wants to keep him. But Simmons can shoot the 3 as well as Terry, so if they wanted that they'd have to give up him. And possibly Bell. But I really think that's got about a .5% chance of happening. Just something to think about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bowles @ Jul 1 2006, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Milwaukee might actually make a run at Jason Terry - a sign-and-trade with Dallas, maybe. It's extremely unlikely, but that may be the best case scenario. They'd have to offer him a ton and they'd have to give Bobby Simmons and maybe a future pick to Dallas, but I really can't see it happening. He's very close to resigning, anyway, and he wants to stay and Dallas wants to keep him. But Simmons can shoot the 3 as well as Terry, so if they wanted that they'd have to give up him. And possibly Bell. But I really think that's got about a .5% chance of happening. Just something to think about.</div> Dallas wouldn't want Bobby Simmons...he's overpayed and the Mavericks have good SF's...
This trade helps both teams emensly (sp), Tj is a great ball player but when the game is on the line and hte other team needs to score, all they have to do is post up TJ ford. Toronto he will help you on Offense but on the Defesive side hes quick but isnt physically put together to play with the big PG down low.Now, wait and see who we can bring in for magloire...
TJ is a very special and rare player. Raptors probably got the better end of the deal, but only slightly. Mo has proved that he is a starting caliber point and the Bucks needed a 4 big time. I think the Bucks point situation is solid, but the fact is Mo played a lot of off guard last year, the Bucks need a solid backup to Redd. Williams/BellRedd/ ???Simmons/NoelVilly/SmithBogut/GadzuricThey need to add some back court depth, perhaps make a run at Fred Jones or someone along those lines, or add another point and use Bell as a two. I think I like this trade for both teams. No since in making a depth chart for the Raptors because they don't have one.
I think this is a even trade pretty much. I don't see why people think Toronto got a little better deal who ever said that. I actually think if anything the Bucks got a little better of the deal. But like I said the was pretty even. I understand why Toronto did it they had to many PF's, and needed a PG. I just think they could have gotten more for Villanueva maybe?
<u>Outlook:</u>With Andrea Bargnani being selected with the top pick in the NBA Draft, many Raptors fans and members of the Toronto media said that Charlie Villanueva?s days may be numbered. Speculation ran rampant as to what sort of value Villanueva would carry and after this trade, the result is not a whole lot. Bucks fans who have watched T.J. Ford will also have to adjust to this trade, but with Mo Williams playing top-notch basketball and emerging as a second round steal (albeit selected by another team) and with the Bucks shopping Jamaal Magloire for a power forward, they ended up trading perhaps their brightest young prospect behind last year?s top pick Andrew Bogut.Magloire?s days are still numbered and Villanueva will pay instant dividends teaming up with Bogut in the team?s frontcourt of the future. While Ford was not the player that they had hoped to give up, the team still gets solid value out of him in this deal.The Bucks lineup will contain Williams as the team?s starting point guard, Michael Redd at the shooting guard spot, Bobby Simmons at small forward, Villanueva at power forward and Bogut at center. The bench will consist of Charlie Bell, who I?m almost certain the Bucks will re-sign, Magloire or his replacement, Joe Smith, Dan Gadzuric and Toni Kukoc, who has expressed interest in returning to the team for another season. This gives the Bucks a young point guard who will distribute to one of the league?s finest shooters, a well-rounded Simmons and two big men who can score in a variety of ways. The Bucks will have a strong versatility and an enviable frontcourt for years to come.<u>Long-term Ramifications:</u>The team loses a player who could emerge as one of the league?s better point guards, but receive one of the league?s hottest young power forwards who will easily become a fan favorite no matter where he plays. In terms of financial ramifications, the Bucks are exactly where they were before this trade.The Raptors receive T.J. Ford<u>Outlook:</u>Ford was one of college?s hottest young stars as the starting point guard of the University of Texas Longhorns. Ford will team with high school rival and friend Chris Bosh and U of Texas alumni P.J. Tucker.With Bargnani, Bosh and Villanueva having similar games, Villanueva was expectedly the odd man out, but fans will question the value that the team received until Ford proves legit. The Raptors fill what has always been a gaping hole at the point guard spot with perhaps their first legitimate starting pass-first point guard in franchise history ? unless you count Damon Stoudamire, who was a shoot-first with the Raptors early on. The Raptors will have a starting lineup that includes Ford, veteran swingman Morris Peterson, Bosh and the newly acquired Rasho Nesterovic with the shooting guard or small forward position yet to be determined and Bargnani in mind as part of the long-term plan.With Ford, the Raptors will see an immediate change in tempo and ball movement. Mike James will not be re-signed if this trade is any indication and Ford will lead breaks, get the ball to the right person and help control the pace of games. Both Villanueva and Ford are unique in the sense that few players like them exist in the league. Big scoring frontcourt players are hard to come by, but so are legitimate starting pass-first point guards who are especially few and far between.<u>Long-term Ramifications:</u>One word: fear. The fear that Villanueva will blossom into the player that many speculate he may ? a dominant offensive power forward that can score 20 points-per-game. Villanueva?s defense left much to be desired, but Ford isn?t exactly Bruce Bowen himself. The cash considerations give the Raptors some extra dollars here or there for scouting and whatnot, but like the Bucks, there are no additional financial ramifications.Toronto?s Grade: B-Milwaukee?s Grade: AVerdict: Both teams fill holes, but the Raptors should have been able to get the Bucks to add either a first-round selection or another player of value.ROCK ON!
I think some people are underrating TJ Ford's abilities. He's an incredible playmaker, unbelievably quick, and he knows how to lead a team. He led a texas team to the final four that didn't necessarily have final four quality talent. He's just what Toronto needed. Colangelo needs a freaking medal for this one.
Awesome trade for both teams. My brothers going to be outraged but he'll probably say it's a good trade but he really likes CV.
Great trade for us. The thing is that CV isnt quick enough to play SF full time, and also not strong enough to play Center. His natural position is PF, and it is hard to fit him in there. Especially with the Bargnani pick. We get a new guy that will play CV minutes and get our future PG too, that will be probably a top 5 future pg in the future, and is a great passer, quick, and can run are offense.The ball hog days are over guys! The days of Rafer Alston and Mike James ballhogging are over! Woo hoo!
