I thought wat counted was the playoffs tho? We would have beat the Heat if our bench showed up like the Mavericks bench did. Plain and simple.
That's pretty much my point. Or if Boozer had played like he did in the regular season. Or if Rose had played as well as Terry did with Lebron guarding him. Reinsdorf was going out of his way not to point fingers and I fully expect the bulls to go out and get another SG, but this team is already good enough to beat the Heat.
That is true, which is why I dont think we need to make a move like Orl that doesnt help us. I saw on RealGM (our boards didnt have any new replies so i went searchin for bball talk) that one guy said that he was kind of scared that we make any moves in fear it may mess up our cap room needed to acquire Howard. After reading that, I proclaimed (out loud in my empty house), Fuck waiting for him! Last time we did that shit Lebron signed with the Miami Heat. Unless Howard comes outright and says I want to come here, we CANT wait for him. We can only focus on improving the hole we have at SG.
We don't have Jason Terry on the bench, we have CJ Watson. Expecting Watson to play up to Terry's level is wishful thinking.
Watson is still the guy who dropped 33 on the nuggets when derrick missed the game. And we wouldve won if JLIII had hit those FTs. But if we would have gotten production from Watson, Korver AND Gibson Im positive we would have won that series. Brewer was the only guy who played consistent from the Bench Mob
What you and bullshooter miss is that playoffs are a different animal, and a few of us were concerned with the talent level and balance of the team all along. Hence the idea of trading for Mayo at the deadline, and now going after a guy like Ellis. If Watson was good enough, you'd think Thibs would play the hell out of him, instead of 6 minutes as Rose's backup...
No I understand the playoffs are a different animal, which is why i dont think monta is going to do much for our backcourt defense. Defense becomes a different monster as well. Sure we'll be running around around people, but Id rather not give up Deng for Monta when he can go after someone in the FA pool. And has anybody brought up concerns that Monta, just like Derrick, has been scoring inefficiently? Monta drops 35 on like 28 shots. Ive heard he's gotten a lil better at it, but shit we cant have BOTH of our backcourt players scoring like that in the playoffs
Ellis scored 24.1 PPG on 20.1 FGA Rose scored 25 PPG on 19.7 FGA We do want both guards (if we had Ellis) shooting like that in the playoffs. Instead, we had Rose scoring 25 points on 29 FGA (like in game 5). Given the list of top SGs presented in another thread, getting Ellis would be getting a rare thing - a top tier SG in the league.
Rose shot like that during the season, not during the playoffs (as we can see with him scoring 25 on 29 fg). Theres no guarantee that they will shoot like that in the playoffs. Which is why I said I dont want them shooting like that if its not going to be efficient.
Our defense wasn't the problem. You cannot hold teams to zero points - it's never been done in the NBA. If rose, boozer, and Ellis give you 85 points in a game, we're not going to see them give up 85 or more. No way.
I know even with boozer out there we were the #1 D in the league, but now youre starting to sound like you coach the Warriors or Knicks. We'll outscore them? It comes down to getting stops when it matters, not trading baskets.
I'm not saying we should be an offense only team. With Deng, Rose, and Noah, the defense will be there. Rose was one point / vote away from making 2nd team all-nba defense. The thing about playing Noah and Bogans (or Brewer), you have 3/5ths of a team on offense. The thing about playing a guy like Ellis is you get off to much better starts in Q1 and Q3, and I think we'd bury teams instead of having to hope we make the last basket in the game or a big basket with a minute left.
And I understand that, but according to what youre saying, the defense wont be there because we wouldve given up Deng for Ellis. On RealGM several people have brought up points to why they dont want Ellis. And I know everyone has an opinion, but this is mine. I think we dont need a prolific scorer at the 2 to beat the Heat. And we definitely dont need to trade one of the key components of our team D for a guy who wont be
I think another scorer who can handle the ball at any position would be a big help, especially to unleash Rose even more. Ellis is one player who fits that description who's been mentioned as available. He happens to be an SG, our position of biggest need, so it's no surprise people want him.
Yea but most fans (where ive read) dont want to give up any piece of our core to bring in the SG we need. Which is why ppl still think we can get Mayo for cheap (which I highly doubt with the way he played this postseason) and why most ppl are ok with JR smith or one of the other FA options.
