That's never stopped me from being right before. As I've already pointed out, most Americans are clueless about the history of their own country. The majority of Americans are mindless sheep who let the media form their beliefs, their biases, their very thoughts for them. The fact that they might not agree with me only validates my opinions.
This all reminds me of this gem: [video=youtube;rzsFXYW38hk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzsFXYW38hk[/video]
I don't understand the taking out of "indivisible"... does that word have some kind of meaning that isn't apparent?
Military Oath: "Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen." "I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Leader of the German Empire, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath." Public Servant Oath: Ich schwöre: Ich werde dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler treu und gehorsam sein, die Gesetze beachten, und meine Amtspflichten gewissenhaft erfüllen, so wahr mir Gott helfe. I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to Adolf Hitler, leader of the German Empire and people, to observe the laws, and to conscientiously fulfil my official duties, so help me God!
You claimed that it's "unrepresentative of America in it's [sic] present form." I think that you can look to the population of a country to see what is representative of it. I would humbly submit that you are unrepresentative of America in its present form. Which is totally OK, and you don't need to dig America in its present form, but I don't understand how you can criticize something for being unrepresentative and then say that it's due to ignorance on the part of those who are represented. Ed O.
Kids aren't forced to say the Pledge. I remember growing up some kids didn't say it because it was against their own kooky beliefs. Also, does having "In God We Trust" on our money establish a religion? Are you so upset by those words that you refuse to use American money?
FWIW I found the entire intro to be over-the-top jingoism, and I don't give a flying fuck what words were or were not included in NBC's awkward attempt at patriotism.
I think it's a bigger deal, personally. I would imagine that it just flowed better without it in there, OR that they didn't want to only exclude "under God" so they dropped indivisible, as well. I believe there's a version that had five words dropped, too, but I haven't seen/heard it. Ed O.
Ahh, yes, any belief in something other than a mainstream Christian god = "kooky". A passive aggressive sky god isn't kinda kooky? Kids who didn't say the pledge got in trouble & getting sent to the principles office wasn't unheard of. Not to mention you get labeled as "unpatriotic"... blah blah blah... Yes it does endorse a religion, at least one that believes in a "God". Yes it annoys me. I mainly use my debit card so I rarely see paper anymore . Even if I had to use paper money, I'd still use it because I am kind of forced to use it. It's like saying "It's raining outside, does that upset you so much that you're not going to ever go outside when it rains!!?", sometimes you just have to go outside when it's raining & there's nothing you can do about it, just like sometimes I have to use money that says "In God We Trust" though I don't believe or endorse that God and see no reason why the country has to endorse "it".
You're obviously new here. I think belief in all "gods" is kooky, Christian or otherwise. I just don't see the outrage over the two words "under god", be they omitted or included in the pledge. That's why I said "their own kooky beliefs". I don't get why atheists get so worked up over things like this; it's just a sign of the irrational nature of their own religion. That's a hodgepodge of mumbo-jumbo, and is anecdotal at best. If you don't believe in something, and are sure it doesn't exist, why do you care if other people believe in it? If you're firm in your beliefs, it really shouldn't matter what other people think, should it? If our courts have decided that including the words "under god" is perfectly constitutional, isn't that good enough? Just omit those words yourself, or don't say the pledge at all. The primary problem with atheists is they are just as eager to impose their own beliefs on others. Two sides of the same coin, IMO.
I never said you were Christian or believed in a God. It's the USA endorsing a "God", i.e. a Christian God, this is why people like it & why people dislike it. Religion has been a hotbed of activity for thousands of years. Jehovah's Witnesses still believe in God, but some don't recite the pledge, that's what I meant by "mainstream". I am not atheist, I am more agnostic. I am more against the use of the pledge in and of itself & not really because of the use of the words "under god". Com'on now. I am playing Backgammon & you're certainly playing Chinese Checkers! Religion & beliefs dictate peoples lives & policy is often made based off of religious beliefs. Regardless of my religion, other peoples religions will probably affect me at some point in my life. Says the man who spams the OT forum with his conservative propaganda...
Being anti-war, pro-gay, pro-choice, and agnostic makes me a conservative? I thought that made me a Libertarian at heart! Also, think about this. What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us?
