KP on the Bald Faced Douche @ 4:15 or 4:30pm

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  1. Mediocre Man

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    Had they waited another year it would have cost them more?
     
    Mediocre Man, Jul 5, 2011
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    Yeah probably not, he would have been a restricted free agent after the Phoenix series, I guess he could have received a Rudy Gay size contract offer as people thought he was going to make a full recovery from that minor knee surgery, but in actuality it was the final straw that broke the camels back.

    I do wonder if he had been coming up on restricted free agency would he have rushed back to get on the court 10 days after surgery? Would a longer recovery time have benefitted his knees?

    I suppose Roy's knees would likely have ended up where they are now regardless of his contract situation. If Roy was a restricted free agent last offseason, and only took the 1 year and was now an unrestricted free agent, he wouldn't get more then the MLE.

    It's pretty easy to criticize the extension in hindsight. I guess KP's point was the team would've had to pay a max 6 year contract at the end of the season so it was better to just do a 5 year extension at the time.
     
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  3. Mediocre Man

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    It's a silly point for him to make. They knew his knees were bad, so there is 0% chance he would have made more. Even better had they let him talk to other teams because medical reports would have circulated in the media, and no one in their right mind would have criticized the Blazers if they either didn't offer, or offered low and he walked
     
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    Yes... it is true that as a tie-breaker, I can see it having some value. But... "Before Oden came to Ohio State he had only lost 3 games" reminds me of that Shaq quote where he talked about how he'd won championships at ever level except college and the NBA :)

    When I heard the Blazers say that "Durant was the kind of player that won scoring titles and Oden was the kind of player that won championships" ... I thought they were talking about positional scarcity (a dominant center is much less common, and perhaps more valuable, than a dominant wing player). I didn't know they were talking about Oden being a "winner".

    Sheesh.

    The sad thing is, this sort of touchy-feely decision-making wasn't eradicated with KP being dismissed. It looks, indeed, like it has won. A very sad thing, if true, for Blazers fans.

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    I think that Roy's extension might be THE reason that KP got fired.

    If KP and the team knew that his knees were toast, and yet STILL felt compelled to bid against themselves by giving Roy an extension... that's bad decision-making.

    I don't think it's just a matter of hindsight, either. They had information that we did not, and yet they still pulled the trigger. It's not my money, but it IS money, and I can see Paul Allen feeling more than a bit miffed by such a bad decision. Maybe even to the extent that it cost KP his job.

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    It's not
     
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    Well then, thanks for clearing that up for us. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. Mediocre Man

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    Always welcome
     
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    Will the actual reason ever come to light?

    And, in your opinion, does the actual reason preclude KP from getting another GM gig?

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    No
    No. In a short time (Pacers maybe?)


    IMO of course
     
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    ^^Agree with #1, disagree with #2. At the very least (from some of the rumors going around) it was a case of siding with Penn and his agent against his owner, and at the worst something more sinister and/or damaging that no one can speak of, but causes PA and the Blazers to basically quash any "re-hire" rumors immediately.

    Why risk it when there are plenty of "decent" candidates out there, a few up-and-comers, a few retreads, and some "off-the-wall" hires like Lon Babby? If you really think KP's a genius, hire him in a John Hammond-type role and let him advise your staff. I don't know that anyone's making KP the face of their front office.
     
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    I agree that that was one reason (see below about taking a hard line and inability to negotiate without holding a position of superiority from Paul Allen's money), but I always list more reasons:

    Pritchard does not have any business talent (financial management of the team, and negotiating deals by taking a hard line). He is bad at trading (he can only demand total surrender from other GMs, has no ability to truly negotiate and give up something, and succeeded at trades only by using the Paul Allen advantages of paying $3M and taking worse contracts than he gave).

    He has two talents: marketing and salesmanship (wording things to sound like a leader with charisma) at which he is excellent, and scouting (evaluating talent in the draft), at which he is ordinary but not terrible as above.

    He should work for a team or the League in marketing (he will excel) or in scouting (he will be ordinary but not bad).
     
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    KP would be a great team president as long as he had little to do with roster moves, and nothing to do with the financial side as you have said. He is a great face of a franchise, but that is because he is a slick bullshit artist.
     
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    Paul Allen is looking like a douche as well


    If he has had any conversations with Paul Allen since being fired:

    “You know I have not had that sit down or one-to-one with Paul after that day so no. A lot of people ask me why Rich Cho was fired. I get that question quite a bit. The honest answer is I’m not sure why I was fired so how can I answer why he was fired? So no, not really.”


    http://sportsradiointerviews.com/20...lblazers-nba-draft-greg-oden-vs-kevin-durant/
     
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    He knows exactly why he was fired.
     
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    Same reason Cho was . . .
     
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    LOL, no
     
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    do you know? if so, please share
     
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    It has been said many times that I don't, so in an effort for forum harmony, you should just add IMO after my posts. Someone else was going to try "in bed" after my posts as well. Either will make the forum a happier place
     
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