There are always two camps in situations like this. I've been fortunate enough to have a very close friend who is a top donor and insider. My understanding, for every one person that says Chip resigning is an option, there are ten who are supporting and standing behind him. Consider, it only takes one person (at any level) to mention to a reporter or another something along the lines of, 'it was brought up what would happen if Chip was forced to resign in the event of a guilty finding to major recruiting violations,' and suddenly it's spun into, 'we're discussing forcing Chip to resign.'
QUOTE=tlongII;2639324]He paid $25K to a slimy guy that steered players to Oregon.[/QUOTE] Tlong, why are you doing this? What are you getting from this? Everyone here has read the stories and know the facts surround this situation. Maybe it's just me, but in over 30 years of following college football, I've never taken joy in watching programs have issues like this. I think it's bad for college athletics, bad for kids and takes so much away from the competitive nature of something I love... But, it appears we need to revisit the facts, again. Correct me where I am wrong, because I don't claim to know everything here. 1. Lyles was a POOR business man. He didn't even have a price sheet for what his services provided or clearly defined levels and cost. Oregon wanted and asked only for the best and top recruiting package and because Lyles didn't have clearly defined cost/services - Oregon asked him to set his own price. The $25,000 was handled via check through the AD Dept. --Oregon is guilty of dealing with a crappy business man of poor character. 2. As reported and confirmed by various sources, there is no proof that Oregon asked for, or even expected anything other than recruiting services. 3. Lyles has changed his story three times. He says he crossed the line. 4. Oregon has been open and welcoming to NCAA questions, however, no official investigation has been launched. 5. Lyles joined/escorted the players in question to other institutions. 6. Chip has a clean record while Lyles has a "history" within the recruiting circles. Oregon has had recent sanctions (Campbell) , and has always been forthcoming with the NCAA. Lyles has changed the foundation of his story three times. He has a bad history with previous employers in recruiting. His business failed. This says a lot. 7. Nothing changes the fact that the players and their family members who are involved in this said they were not influenced in their decisions. Ultimately, the NCAA aims to protect players/families with their recruiting guidelines, so tell me, no victim no crime?? If we had a player or family member saying they were pressured, I'd be all over Oregon harder than anyone here. But, we don't. I've continued to say that Oregon has several issues here. If Lyles is considered a booster (which he very well could be), receiving funds and his involvement is a violation. Oregon may also be guilty of minor violations for having received oral recruiting services that lacked necessary hard docs. Some are saying Oregon was scrambling to cover tracks by later asking Lyles for documentation, but this in itself is not proof of anything, nor is it a violation itself. I suggest you put down the pitch-fork and torch, look at the facts and wait and see how this all unfolds. Regards
Last thought... Although I bleed yellow/green, I think I'm able to see the big picture and if everything we know now is accurate and reflective of the full story, I'd be content in Oregon under minor sanctions and even a loss of a few scholies. This may seem severe for the minor violation, but it would be a good example.
Good god you're trolling hard. At the end of the day, Oregon will always be better than OSU and that just kills you. Better coach, better players, better stadium, better fans, and better school. Get back to your crops, cows, and sheep.
Tlong, why are you doing this? What are you getting from this? Everyone here has read the stories and know the facts surround this situation. Maybe it's just me, but in over 30 years of following college football, I've never taken joy in watching programs have issues like this. I think it's bad for college athletics, bad for kids and takes so much away from the competitive nature of something I love... But, it appears we need to revisit the facts, again. Correct me where I am wrong, because I don't claim to know everything here. 1. Lyles was a POOR business man. He didn't even have a price sheet for what his services provided or clearly defined levels and cost. Oregon wanted and asked only for the best and top recruiting package and because Lyles didn't have clearly defined cost/services - Oregon asked him to set his own price. The $25,000 was handled via check through the AD Dept. --Oregon is guilty of dealing with a crappy business man of poor character. 2. As reported and confirmed by various sources, there is no proof that Oregon asked for, or even expected anything other than recruiting services. 3. Lyles has changed his story three times. He says he crossed the line. 4. Oregon has been open and welcoming to NCAA questions, however, no official investigation has been launched. 5. Lyles joined/escorted the players in question to other institutions. 6. Chip has a clean record while Lyles has a "history" within the recruiting circles. Oregon has had recent sanctions (Campbell) , and has always been forthcoming with the NCAA. Lyles has changed the foundation of his story three times. He has a bad history with previous employers in recruiting. His business failed. This says a lot. 7. Nothing changes the fact that the players and their family members who are involved in this said they were not influenced in their decisions. Ultimately, the NCAA aims to protect players/families with their recruiting guidelines, so tell me, no victim no crime?? If we had a player or family member saying they were pressured, I'd be all over Oregon harder than anyone here. But, we don't. I've continued to say that Oregon has several issues here. If Lyles is considered a booster (which he very well could be), receiving funds and his involvement is a violation. Oregon may also be guilty of minor violations for having received oral recruiting services that lacked necessary hard docs. Some are saying Oregon was scrambling to cover tracks by later asking Lyles for documentation, but this in itself is not proof of anything, nor is it a violation itself. I suggest you put down the pitch-fork and torch, look at the facts and wait and see how this all unfolds. Regards[/QUOTE] Exactly what recruiting package are you referring to? There wasn't one. That's the problem. SportsbyBrooks now has audio of Lyles stating that Kelly was directly involved with getting him to scramble together some documents and send them to UofO to justify the $25K expenditure. Of course, you don't believe Lyles since you state he's been lying. However, as Canzano has pointed out all of Lyles stories have checked out to date.
I thought it was interestig that Lyles said he though Oregon paid him for a recruiting package... and then he came to believe they were paying him for influence. What changed his mind? Was it money from some Texas schools trying to keep Oregon from recruiting thier players?
I'm still curious to Canzano's response to Lyles' story checking out about first saying Documents were asked for in March, but then saying they were asked for in January.
Are you kidding me? Do you realize Lyles keeps changing his story?? What the hell don't you understand here? Players and families interviewed have said they were NOT influenced. They support Oregon. One person says one thing (story changed) and 20 say another... If this goes to court, how does that hold up? It's what, 20 vs 1? And, that 1 not only has a questionable history and shady past employment, but has changed his story several times in the last few months. You claim Oregon didn't receive recruiting information. That's a lie. Oregon receive a 140 player report which mostly involved 2009 players. First, this doesn't make Oregon guilty of ANYTHING. It says Lyles provides crappy services. Second, a large number of those players are at JC and potential recruits. Dude, give it up. You're embarrassing yourself. You can't change the fact there is NO smoking gun and other schools paid Lyles thousands of dollars for the same service. It just happens Oregon has more money than your mac salad bought program has and is at an elite level which makes for a nice target.............. The Oregonian reports: Matt Hinton does a good job breaking down what this means to Duck fans. While the Ducks very well could have been taken for a ride, there's still no evidence of any NCAA violations. Nola.com reports: Forking over thousands of dollars to owners of recruiting services isn't yet an NCAA violation. It's a loophole football coaches, and athletic departments, have found a way to use... A recent poll showed 70% of sports fans think Lyles is a liar. The majority of these people ARE NOT Oregon fans. Congrats on being in the minority of sheepels. I hope next time you purchase something, say software, a game, etc. and you find its a bit outdated, you aren't accused of unfounded violations.
Any yet... the Portland media spins this as doom and gloom... which they did after the very first game with Chip.
Calzano (loved the typo on ESPN) is staking his career on this nonsense. He won't have any access to the Blazers or the Ducks after the NCAA clears UO. He can have fun writing about the Holiday Bowl aspirations for the Beavs, or the Timbers, for the rest of his time in Portland. He's done at the UO. That's what I'm hearing. The only thing about Chip that disappoints me is that he didn't cut off access to Calzano after the Blount incident, where Calzano was certain from his "sources" that bringing back Blount after a 10-game suspension was going to destroy the Ducks' locker room.
There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start. I'll just mention a couple of things for now... 1) Oregon paid $25K for a "supposed" national recruiting package that was primarily Texas players and was from 2009. This happened although the invoice stated it was a 2011 recruiting package. This "supposed" package was put together after the $25K payment. It's obvious to anyone with a glimmer of intelligence what the Ducks were in fact paying for here. 2) Other schools paid $5-6K for recruiting packages from Lyles. Oregon paid 5 times that amount! That IS a smoking gun!
The invoice was for the 2011 recruiting *class* so of course it would say that. The 2010 date is clearly on the po and invoice, and both correctly state it was the 2011 package because like duh... you recruit for the next year. As for the difference in cost with cal... have you seen then # of teams / states that Cal paid for? Do you know you are comparing apples to apples? Oregon paid for video from 20 states... how many did Cal pay for?
passing along the opinion on this of the main Oregon rivals reporter AJ Jacobson in an interview done yesterday, he said..."I would be very surprised if Chip Kelly did not keep his job. That would be very, very surprising to me." The chatter/vibe I'm getting on this situation lately from insiders on forums and blogs is that the NCAA is pretty much done looking into the situation & didn't find much. A slap on the wrist of little consequence is supposed to be the most they're looking at. If so, rumor is an especially bad strain of bitter Beaver face will be common throughout the state of Oregon. STOMP
http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oregon-invoice-530x268.jpg Attempting a reasonable conversation with you is like talking to a sheep. If intelligence is reflected in the ability to think for yourself, you've failed. http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/...-state-auburn-lsu-and-tennessee-recruiting-in
And yet Forbes Magazine is now weighing in stating what I've already stated... Oregon will eventually feel NCAA's wrath
Forbes Magazine's blog, authored by an associate professor at Webster University? You barkrats will dig up any negative article. Meanwhile, Lyles is allegedly telling the NCAA that OS gave him under-the-table money for finding the Rodgers' brothers. I'm sure he's just not telling the truth on that one! Have fun! Really, how fucking dumb is this tlong post?
I don't need a link. I only need my sources. Lyles is squealing like a pig, and Oregon has been the only school upfront about it. OS is going to hear from the NCAA soon. Nice Forbes blog, btw, MIXUM. That was really worth posting!
