New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    "As for the 3 percent of scientists who remain unconvinced, the study found their average expertise is far below that of their colleagues, as measured by publication and citation rates."
     
  2. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    How is that an attack? Sounds to me like a statement of fact, and a pretty interesting one to boot.

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  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Publication rates has nothing to do with expertise.

    Do you think there are brilliant chemists at Dow Chemical company who don't publish in scientific journals?
     
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    There is some truth in that (which the authors of the paper point out). However, that doesn't make it an attack. It simply means it isn't the whole truth, which the authors no doubt would agree with.

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  5. Paine Tablet

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    Kind of like all human caused atrocity. It's happened in the past so it should be allowed to continue to happen.
     
  6. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    So lets see if I understand all of this...

    Humankind can intentionally or unintentionally change our environment but we could never intentionally or unintentionally change our climate.

    Or in other words we can dam a river but we can't damn the planet.
     
  7. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    The climate is a lot bigger than the environments we try to control.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    See, you agree!

    Only god can change a climate.
     
  9. barfo

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    Apparently not.

    Link.

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  10. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    Right, sure, and the Clintons didn't kill those guys connected to Whitewater. :MARIS61:

    Saying clouds cause global warming is like saying cancer causes cell phones.
     
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    3RA1N1AC 00110110 00111001

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    clearly the warming global climate has changed the delicate ecosystem food chains to the point where

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  12. PapaG

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    I wonder what 3% of those researchers are doing with their time. It's a historical fact that the climate changes over time. Montana and Wyoming used to be tropical in climate, and we've had Ice Ages that lasted for hundreds of years.

    I'm not sure how 97% of any group agreeing that the climate changes refutes the notion that man-made global warming is largely based on flimsy science, but maybe that's just me.
     
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    If you understand global warming theories, the enormous compilation of facts supporting them, and the actual mechanics of global warming, it's clear this author does not.

    The point he pretends to make is meaningless. Other than indicating that the hole in the ozone is enlarging even more rapidly than predicted, which supports most "alarmist" theories, it indicates little else of longterm importance.
     
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    You wrote this to get a laugh, right? Here's an anecdote for you. The first 5 years after I moved back to Oregon and had a condo in Bend, there was literally no snow in the town. Starting about 7 years ago, snow started to stick. Now, I can count on at least two or three weekends of heavy snow in Bend, and it sticks for much of the winter at our condo.

    I'm not sure what it means, but I do know that CO2 output is going up each year, and it's getting colder where I live.
     
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    BOEMRE is the oil industry's government lapdog. We (the taxpayers) pay them to lie to us.

    OF COURSE they want to publicly smear this guy to get the Faux snooze crowd yelling, but they can't refute the international scientific community's findings which support his.
     
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    Global warming does not mean everyone gets tropical weather. It causes cold snaps and blizzards and floods and rainstorms also. For every action there is a reaction...

    I've lived here 9 years and Bend has had plenty of snow all 9 of those years. About 3 years ago we had a huge snowload, for a long, long time. Locals say only 1992 was bigger. None in between were comparable. Generally speaking, warmer weather means more snow, not less. Our coldest winters have been our dryest.

    Surprisingly (to me) the last decade has shown Beautiful Central Oregon is indeed changing drastically due to a gradual warming trend. US geologists have predicted the eventual (by 2050 or sooner) wholesale replacement of Jack Pines here by coniferous varieties from the wetter side of the state such as Douglas Fir, Blue Spruce, Hemlock...I've noticed the change and welcome the diversity.

    This is due to the much longer, much wetter springs we have been having due to El Nino and Global Warming. The Jack Pines like a cold dry spring, but get crowded out by other species when it's warmer. They predict by 2020 (9 years from now) Jack Pines will not be replacing themselves at a sustainable rate and will eventually be crowded out of existence in this region.
     
  17. MARIS61

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    Here's the bigger picture:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/29/AR2010062904860.html

    http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2011/07/31/18686516.php

    http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/07/suspended-polar-bear-researcher.html?ref=hp


    BOEMRE Director responds to speculation about polar bear scientist’s suspension

    July 31, 2011 by offshoreenergy


    AlaskaDispatch.com posted an email message that was sent by BOEMRE Director Michael Bromwich to Alaska Region employees. The message responds to press reports and speculation about the suspension of a polar bear scientist.


    We are limited in what we can say about a pending investigation, but I can assure you that the decision had nothing to do with his scientific work, or anything relating to a five-year old journal article, as advocacy groups and the news media have incorrectly speculated. Nor is this a “witch hunt” to suppress the work of our many scientists and discourage them from speaking the truth. Quite the contrary. In this case, it was the result of new information on a separate subject brought to our attention very recently.


    http://www.qr77.com/News/World/article.aspx?id=297209
     
  18. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    The news is out. This man is D.B. Cooper. They found a fingerprint. He's been hiding in Alaska as a scientist.
     
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    cutting down beef consumption is something we can do individually though I still eat it every now and then. I also try to buy food that was produced locally whenever I've the choice in part because of the lower fuel used in getting it to market

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-greenhouse-hamburger

    STOMP
     
  20. blazerboy30

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    If Earth was experiencing a cooling down period, would you start eating more beef and non-local food?
     

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