we're not talking about someone to start a franchise with. We're talking who is better now, and that is JO. I don't know how you can say Bosh is a much better scorer than JO. O'Neal really has some of the best post moves in the league, if not the best. Bosh has a better jumper, and you think he is a better attacker bc he starts out far away from the basket. JO plays for the most part around the basket, and he's a MUCH better defender than Bosh. He has the clear edge on the other side of the ball. And since defense is half the game, i'll give the nod to JO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 7 2006, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we're not talking about someone to start a franchise with. We're talking who is better now, and that is JO.</div>Right now J.O. is an injury-riddled forward who scores the same as Bosh. J.O. is a better defender, but if you can only depend on him for half a season...
2 of my favorite PF's, ill say Jermaine O'neal because he took his team to the playoffs and each year they do good but lose in a game 6 or 7
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Outlaw101 @ Jul 7 2006, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2 of my favorite PF's, ill say Jermaine O'neal because he took his team to the playoffs and each year they do good but lose in a game 6 or 7</div>Eh, that's not a very good point. The talent level in Toronto and Indiana isn't even close. Compare the players. Compare the coaches. And compare the GMs before Coangelo got there...
This is a simple one - Chris Bosh all the way-younger-more dominant-more of a team player-only going to get better
Ill take Bosh here. He is younger and will have more talent then JO in two years. By then he will be a perrinial all-star.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 7 2006, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we're not talking about someone to start a franchise with. We're talking who is better now, and that is JO. I don't know how you can say Bosh is a much better scorer than JO. O'Neal really has some of the best post moves in the league, if not the best. Bosh has a better jumper, and you think he is a better attacker bc he starts out far away from the basket. JO plays for the most part around the basket, and he's a MUCH better defender than Bosh. He has the clear edge on the other side of the ball. And since defense is half the game, i'll give the nod to JO.</div>Bosh scores more ppg on a better percentage. I already told you this...he is a better scorer, and he is only going to score even more points next year..Except JO isnt good at defense when he is injury-reiddled. He had some problems defensively last year. And seriously, if you would take an aging, injury-riddled player over a young phenom like Bosh, it's your own problem
I told you, age wasn't effecting my decision. I'd obviously take Bosh if i had to choose between the two for my franchise. But i'm saying, if i had to choose between these guys for a game today, i'd pick JO.And the thing you said about injuries effecting his defense, and JO having a bad defensive year, was complete bullsh**. JO did not have a bad defensive year at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 8 2006, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I told you, age wasn't effecting my decision. I'd obviously take Bosh if i had to choose between the two for my franchise. But i'm saying, if i had to choose between these guys for a game today, i'd pick JO.And the thing you said about injuries effecting his defense, and JO having a bad defensive year, was complete bullsh**. JO did not have a bad defensive year at all.</div>Yes he did. To his standards, he didnt play up to par defense. The team sucked at defense this year, wonder why. You always look at the interior. Also, he was injured alot last year. That caused his defensive fall.
you don't understand. He still played great defense all year when he was healthy.Oh, Indiana sucked at defense this year? you just lost ALL your validity. Indiana allowed the fifth least ppg in the league (92), and were 4th in opp. fg% (43%). And JO averages 2.3 bspg. He's sucha a horrible defender.
Eh, I guess I was wrong. I dont really check team stats at all. When I watched them teams seemed to score alot on them...my mistake.But yeah, thats the thing. JO was hardly ever completely healthy last year, so he was inconcistent defensively..
Why are you always saying that players are inconsistent defensively? You've seen each of these guys like 3 times a year. JO was consistent and good at defense last year. end of story.
Not as good as he ususally was. He hobbled alot last year, and he wasnt able to make the same stops that he's used to. He just isnt the same player as 3 years ago. I bet he will decline even more next year.It's your choice if you'd rather have an injury-prone Forward who is declining then a young phenom PF who has almost never been injured...Im not going to argue with you anymore..
CB4, we are agreeing on basically everything so i dont see why there is even a discussion. Im saying that JO is better when healthy and that Bosh will be better within 2 or 3 seasons at worst. Just for the record, you said JO had a better season by far.
When healthy, JO is definately the better player. Better defender, better scorer. But because of his injuries in past few years, it is sort of hard to call him the victor.But yeah, a healthy JO is better than Bosh.
Iv been following O'Neal on and off in the past couple of years and as the years progress he takes more and more shots outside the paint and is beginning to shoot the midrange more often, this I believe takes away alot out of O'Neal's game as he dominates inside the paint but now that he choses to play more of a midrange game it will hurt his stats. Bosh however is the complete opposite, he is excellent shooting the midrange but whenever he posts up against players bigger then him he sometimes gets beat up. Both of these PFs are allstars, but if i were to choose i would definitly take Bosh any day over O'Neal to build a franchise around.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 8 2006, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB4, we are agreeing on basically everything so i dont see why there is even a discussion. Im saying that JO is better when healthy and that Bosh will be better within 2 or 3 seasons at worst. Just for the record, you said JO had a better season by far.</div>No I said, he was better when healthy. But thats the thing, he is never healthy anymore, so if I were to choose who I'd want next year, Id take Bosh.
I'd Pick Jermaine O'neal cuz of his Defense and quality offense. Chris Boah can reach his level one day, but i think to be better he has to become an above average defender.
Id rather have bosh right now... better offensivly ... and i really dont think JO is that great of a defender outside his big blocks once in a while..its a tough call... im a big cb fan id take him
rember guys like vin baker had 20 and 10 seasons even zac zandolf or even clearnce weatherspoon did shawn kemp he bosh can just end up being a good player i see him as an allstar but jermaines been a really consistent player the last few years once bosh is an allstar 2 more times i'll give him the nodge but I dont no if he's worth max money yet.
