<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Jul 5 2006, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When don't they, the Spurs are very good when it comes to drafting, especially foreign players who get passed by many teams. Manu and Parker were excellent picks for San Antonio a few years ago. I don't think center is that important for the Spurs, they won the championship in 2005 with Rasho and Nazr running the center. As long as you have Tim Duncan on your team you will be a contender, I'm sure they could fill the hole with any decent/average center using the MLE or something.</div>2006 - None2005 - Ian Mahinmi2004 - Udrih, Romain Sato, and Sergei Karaulov2003 - Leandro Barbosa (TRADED!?)2002 - John Salmons and Luis Scola (who never even got a contract because he was too expensive)2001 - Robertas Javtokas and Bryan BraceySo basically they haven't had any great picks since Parker, who was also drafted in 2001. Not to say that the Spurs suck at drafting, but they've had a lot of people who either never played for them, didn't even sign a contract, or were not played too much. So yeah, I'd wonder when some of these guys above are going to do anything for the Spurs. The only really good pick from the last five years is Barbosa, and we know what happened to him. The Spurs could use some youth right now, and that's why it's important. I'm not sure what centers are out there for the Spurs to pick up anymore, but I'm sure Spurs fans would like Javtokas to be the man.
That Ian Mahinmi might be joining the Spurs this year, but I have to agree, their draft picks haven't been as stellar as people make them out to be. They landed Parker and Manu, both are gems but it seems far and between now with those picks. Especially when they got those guys when international scouting was still in it's early phases. Now teams are scouting more and doing their homework, not allowing a lot of steals.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 8 2006, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2006 - None2005 - Ian Mahinmi2004 - Udrih, Romain Sato, and Sergei Karaulov2003 - Leandro Barbosa (TRADED!?)2002 - John Salmons and Luis Scola (who never even got a contract because he was too expensive)2001 - Robertas Javtokas and Bryan BraceySo basically they haven't had any great picks since Parker, who was also drafted in 2001. Not to say that the Spurs suck at drafting, but they've had a lot of people who either never played for them, didn't even sign a contract, or were not played too much. So yeah, I'd wonder when some of these guys above are going to do anything for the Spurs. The only really good pick from the last five years is Barbosa, and we know what happened to him. The Spurs could use some youth right now, and that's why it's important. I'm not sure what centers are out there for the Spurs to pick up anymore, but I'm sure Spurs fans would like Javtokas to be the man.</div>Its not like the Spurs had lottery draft picks or anything. They were picking bottom 3 picks of the draft every single year so how do u expect them to get great players. And when they drafted John Salmons, they traded him for Speedy Claxton who helped them win a championship being the 6th man off the bench. ALSO, this years draft pick that they picked up in the VERY LATE second round, they traded him for 2 2nd round draft picks. Your arguement sucks
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (greg of the dead @ Jul 8 2006, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its not like the Spurs had lottery draft picks or anything. They were picking bottom 3 picks of the draft every single year so how do u expect them to get great players. And when they drafted John Salmons, they traded him for Speedy Claxton who helped them win a championship being the 6th man off the bench. ALSO, this years draft pick that they picked up in the VERY LATE second round, they traded him for 2 2nd round draft picks. Your arguement sucks</div>I'm talking about in terms of next year. Tell me how those picks help out the Spurs next year. Speedy Claxton isn't with the Spurs anymore, is he? No.The Mavericks, in the same time frame, have gotten Josh Howard, Devin Harris, and Marquis Daniels (yes, I know he was traded). All of those picks will help contribute to the Mavs success this coming year, and it's very possible that Ager will too.Not to mention, the Spurs got a great pick in Barbosa, then traded him away. Really, explain to me which pick is going to help the Spurs this coming year. They've had guys from the draft help them win a championship a few times. Who will it be this year? Udrih? Edit: I was just pointing out that their picks from the past few years haven't done much, but you missed the point.OMG 2 2ND ROUNDERS NEXT DRAFT?! TOO MOAR GIBLOWMES!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 8 2006, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm talking about in terms of next year. Tell me how those picks help out the Spurs next year. Speedy Claxton isn't with the Spurs anymore, is he? No.The Mavericks, in the same time frame, have gotten Josh Howard, Devin Harris, and Marquis Daniels (yes, I know he was traded). All of those picks will help contribute to the Mavs success this coming year, and it's very possible that Ager will too.Not to mention, the Spurs got a great pick in Barbosa, then traded him away. Really, explain to me which pick is going to help the Spurs this coming year. They've had guys from the draft help them win a championship a few times. Who will it be this year? Udrih? </div>Speedy Claxton did his job with the spurs and now he is out. I dont see anybody on the Mavericks roster getting them Championships because they havent won a championship in lets see....since uve been alive. And for guys that will help them out, how about Ian Mahimini who they might be bringing over and Javokatas or whatever his name is. And how can you even compare Dallas' picks to the Spurs. They picked Devin Harris at #7 in the draft. The spurs havent had a pick that high since Tim Duncan. Marquis Daniels was picked somewhere in the teens and Josh Howard....well alot of teams passed him up so its not like it was just the spurs. O and u know what makes this arguement even worse than the last one??? You say that they just get guys who help them win championships. Well then it seems to be working then dont u think...Lets just wait until this upcoming season when the spurs are leading the division like always over the Mavericks...how does that sound?
Back to topic though, this was a good resign from the T-blazers. Although, i would have liked to see LaMarcus starting on opening day. Im a Texas fan.
Wrong again on a lot of things. Anyway, the Mavericks have picked up tons of talent. It doesn't matter when or how they picked up young talent, the point is they've gotten tons of it without giving up much. The Spurs haven't in quite a while, and it's obviously catching up with them.I said picks in RECENT YEARS haven't helped them win championships. Can you not read? Yes, Ginobili and Parker were great picks FIVE PLUS YEARS AGO. Dirk was a great addition in '99, who cares? New talent needs to be added for the Spurs to get better. You like to live in the past, so I guess I can't argue with you there, except for the fact that the Spurs only came in first in the division this year due to the Mavs' injuries. I don't know why I'm arguing with a fanboi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 8 2006, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wrong again on a lot of things. Anyway, the Mavericks have picked up tons of talent. It doesn't matter when or how they picked up young talent, the point is they've gotten tons of it without giving up much. The Spurs haven't in quite a while, and it's obviously catching up with them.I said picks in RECENT YEARS haven't helped them win championships. Can you not read? Yes, Ginobili and Parker were great picks FIVE PLUS YEARS AGO. Dirk was a great addition in '99, who cares? New talent needs to be added for the Spurs to get better. You like to live in the past, so I guess I can't argue with you there, except for the fact that the Spurs only came in first in the division this year due to the Mavs' injuries. I don't know why I'm arguing with a fanboi.</div>Give the spurs the #7 overall in the draft and im sure that they would get a good player. And i dont see how you can say hes living in the past when the picks of Tony Parker and Manu ginobili helped the Spurs win the championship 2 years ago which isnt that long at all. The bottom line is, its harder for the spurs to pick up good players when they have at best the 3rd to worst pick in the draft every year.O yeah, and does it honestly matter if picks in recent drafts havent helped them win Championships if they have won championships none the less you idiot...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 8 2006, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Give the spurs the #7 overall in the draft and im sure that they would get a good player. And i dont see how you can say hes living in the past when the picks of Tony Parker and Manu ginobili helped the Spurs win the championship 2 years ago which isnt that long at all. The bottom line is, its harder for the spurs to pick up good players when they have at best the 3rd to worst pick in the draft every year.O yeah, and does it honestly matter if picks in recent drafts havent helped them win Championships if they have won championships none the less you idiot...</div>well, he basically just summed that up for me...
ballerman2112, I wasn't talking to you. It's mind-blowing that you could actually think I was. I don't understand how you can call me an idiot, yet be so blind at the same time. Oh well.But yes, 2 years ago is the past. The Mavericks haven't had great picks aside from the Harris pick (It was actually #5), and that pick was traded for, not "given" to them as you people seem to erroneously think. Even if they have had terrible pick position, they have had the opportunity to get great young picks and totally blown it. Heatfan32 seemed to think that every single pick they've made recently has won them a championship, and that's false. They have won the championship 3 times by making good picks, and I think they will miss it this year if their picks from recent years don't start actually playing for them. Explain how I'm wrong there.Pryzbilla could have been great for the Spurs. The fact that a Spurs fan is saying, "And for guys that will help them out, how about Ian Mahimini who they might be bringing over and Javokatas or whatever his name is." proves my point. They have a lot of guys that they've selected in past years that they hope will actually play so that they can win a championship. Topic over.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And how can you even compare Dallas' picks to the Spurs. They picked Devin Harris at #7 in the draft. The spurs havent had a pick that high since Tim Duncan. Marquis Daniels was picked somewhere in the teens and Josh Howard....well alot of teams passed him up so its not like it was just the spurs</div> Whoa man, if you don't know what your talking about, don't speak. Devin Harris was the 5th pick in the draft, and we had to trade to get him. Next, Quis was not even drafted, he went undrafted and we signed him. I think all Justice is saying is the Spurs despite picking in the lows all the time won't always find a steal and finding two gems doesn't make them stellar in the draft department. You always hear about Spurs being good draft experts but I don't really see it. In some ways you have to agree, even if you have a high pick doesn't guarantee a solid pick.
