Mark Cuban just became the 2nd most hated rich guy in the USA!

Nice try at changing the debate, but it won't work with me.

 

Lighten up, Francis. My point was that we share different things in here. You've shared your health struggles and your remarkable recovery. Do I call you pompous or a braggart because you managed to transform your body after losing most of your colon? Hell no. I'm impressed. It's a hell of an accomplishment.

Where I've lived and what I've done has all been within the context of a thread conversation. Why do you think living a bunch of different places is somehow being a "blowhard"? Enlighten me; I'm curious.

 

Yeah, that whole technique of asking you questions which you try to deflect rather than admit you don't know has to be frustrating for you.

 

WTF are you talking about?

You realize the US rich pay extremely low rates. You are saying to put things back to Reagan rates will make people leave the US? Is this really your argument? Where would they go?

And please, show me how extending the tax cuts have helped our economy this past year. All I hear is that the rich employ people, they won't hire. Well... we cut their taxes and they STILL aren't hiring. All the tax cuts have not created a net revenue and we still have an extremely dry economy. I'm not seeing the benefit of keeping them so low in contrast with the benefit of raising them in a time of desperate need for revenue.

I had no problem with any of Bush's tax cuts because for the most part they came in a healthy economic time with a small deficit. It was when we started two unfunded wars, followed by a giant recession that I thought it was time to suspend the breaks. I think a majority of Americans are in favor of raising tax rates as a beginning way to stop this fiscal bleeding.

 

Max can really get on my (as well as other people's) nerves. But he is hardly a troll. I probably respect his political/economical opinion more than anyone on this board.

While he throws in personal attacks constantly, it isn't near as bad as other "righties" on this board.

Max, I think more people would like you if your first and last sentences weren't a baiting/trolling/attack statement.

 

When did I say lowering tax rates, makes people leave? You got it backwards dude.

"What do you think people do when taxes become superfluous? They move to other countries"

I'm only interested in discussing economic metrics not your philosophical nonsense. Your ideology still doesn't make sense, you're never supposed to cut taxes at all since they generate so much "revenue". You don't have a plan.

You are arbitrarily assuming taxes generate revenue, and do not generate revenue at other points. Very confusing and unscientific.

 

:MARIS61:

 

my friend was lamenting that he can't buy a decent house out here in LA and he makes over 200k/year.

 

Wait... what?

So you are saying that raising taxes during these terrible fiscal times is superfluous?

And why are you putting words in my mouth? I'm in favor of low taxes except during certain times, this being one of them. Did you see the tax rate during WW2?

The extra taxes didn't break a fragile economy. In fact, despite the heavier burden that was necessary because of what we had to pay for the New Deal programs and the war, the economy started to do very well.

I'm saying reform entitlement programs, get out of the wars, raise taxes and fix this fiscal shithole.

 

$4k for housing is plenty in Manhattan? I guess if you're a single guy who doesn't need a lot of room that'd be fine.

$1k a month for clothes AND groceries? wtf. try twice that minimum.

 

Clothes? I understand groceries and housing, those are essentials. But how does clothes figure into these monthly expenses?

I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying, BTW.

 

What an awful retort, I'm talking about GDP growth, you're talking about how to pay for government spending.

You assumed taxes are good, let me regurgitate your position:

Dude are you schizo or something? If taxes are never bad, why the heck are you "cutting" them in stable times? You are are going crazy. Everything we do now is supposed to make our economy the *strongest* it can possibly be.

I don't care if you agree with me 95% of the time. Your plan doesn't make sense, since when is generating revenue bad for a "fragile"/ "stable"/"great" economy? I'm trying to understand your double-thinking.

 

If you're living in Manhattan, chances are you're more materialistic and therefore spend a lot more money on clothes than most.

 

This is not the argument you want to make, you're not really acknowledging how good you have it.

How much would I have to pay you, to never use the internet again? (this is an economic question, not a personal attack)

 

a billion dollars.

 

Exactly, we are a lot richer than we think.

 

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You realize you started this conversation by challenging my post, and when I defend a position you say you are talking about something else. If you are, how is this relevant to what I'm saying? Why make a reply rather than a regular post?

I'm sorry, I don't know how to respond to this. You have no clear point, and your post is all over the place. I'm trying to follow what logic you are using (or sarcasm/attacks/whatever) but I can't.

Who said taxes are never bad? Why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth? Your arguments fail because you simply argue against yourself. I was arguing your point that raising taxes (right now) would be superfluous. I don't know how you are getting this.

Maybe we should keep our conversations to one sentence a piece? IDK man.

Maybe in the long run. I mean, a stimulus would make the economy better right now, yet that would cost money we don't have (and is temporary).

The government doing infrastructure projects around the country would help create jobs and help our economy in the long run as well.

If we are talking long run, I think that getting our fiscal house in order is very important to getting the economy as strong as it can possibly be.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong because I'm trying to understand your posts so far in this thread... are you saying that if someone is in favor of raising taxes right now, it is illogical for them to be in favor of every lowering taxes?

BTW...

Great mod post (That was just this ONE post).

 

What question did I dodge exactly?

I said that Cuban doesn't represent the "rich of America" because his billions of dollars put him in the one percentile. I said that most "rich people" probably make around 100-200k. I showed you that the average (50% of America) makes 46k or less. You still maintain that because 200k doesn't go far in NY, that means it doesn't represent a rich person in the rest of the country. Once again you don't pay attention to my points and create some whole other debate that doesn't make any sense.

I didn't change the debate. I monkey stomped you and you are trying to act like I changed the debate to dodge my victory. It's not going to work.

 

I got a better post now:

Tough fucking luck. This is a Libertarian board and I say whatever I want, and I am not a mod in the Blazer forum lol. I used relatively weak language too.

Dude you are schizo then. What is the point of raising taxes? To generate what?

Your position is nonsense and doesn't make sense. That's why you can't follow it. I'm typing up how you framed your argument.

1. Taxes are good for the economy
2. Yet you want to cut them during "good times"
3. Based on what? You are going crazy.

So taxes are bad sometimes then? Then your argument is BS. Lol it is simple.

Maybe you should explain how taxes are good and bad on a whim.

Man this sounds like the most random solution I've ever heard. Yes I am trying to make it very clear for you: You have an inconsistent position. And a subjective one.

I'm withholding the advanced metrics so I can ravage you later, I love prolonging this discussion.

 

Why stop at 100 K? Because it is a nice round number?

It is the year 2011 now and we live in one of the richest countries in the world. People don't understand what rich means.