The Official S2 NBA Lockout Thread!

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    NBA Lockout Update: Sides are closer than they’re saying

    Posted on September 5, 2011

    By Chris Sheridan

    NEW YORK — Here’s the dirty little secret about the NBA lockout, despite what both sides — the owners and the players — would have you believe:

    They are a lot closer to a settlement than most people realize.

    I know this because I talk regularly with a bunch of important people who tell me important things, and I am going to explain why I believe a settlement will be reached that will not only save the season, but also enable the NBA to have an “all is forgiven” honeymoon period (similar to what the NFL just experienced following its labor settlement) in which the frenzy of free agents signings, trades, training camps and exhibition games will make everyone forget all of the doomsday talk they’ve been hearing all summer.

    First, some background. If you only listened to union director Billy Hunter, as NBA players were doing in late August while Hunter was touring the country giving status updates to his locked-out membership, you’d think the sides are currently $8 billion apart in their stagnant negotiations. That is the party line from the union.

    But it is not entirely true.

    Yes, under the 10-year collective bargaining agreement the owners have proposed, the gap is indeed somewhere in the area of $7-8 billion range.

    But if you look at the six-year deal the players have proposed, which includes $500 million less in annual revenue (than what they would have received under the old deal) over the six upcoming seasons, the simple math tells a different story:

    Over those six years, the difference in proposed revenues that would go to the players adds up to $2.97 billion.

    That is still a significant amount of money, but it is nowhere near as significant as what is being put out there publicly.

    Moreover, if you look at years 1, 2 and 3 of the proposals, the sides are a total of $870 million apart. (The players are asking for $2.17 billion in salaries and benefits in 2011-12, $2.33 billion in ’12-13, and $2.42 billion in ’13-14. The owners are offering a flat $2 billion per year.)

    Or to put it another way, in a business that brought in $4.2 billion in revenues last season, the sides are only $170 million apart for next season.

    Does that seem like an insurmountable difference that would justify the cancellation of the season? No — especially given the fact that neither side has said it has put its “last and best” offer on the table.

    The gap in what each side is seeking financially in Years 4, 5 and 6 is more significant, and what the owners are asking for in Years 7, 8, 9 and 10 is not completely germane to the equation right now because the players have not indicated they would be willing to do a deal for longer than six years, and history shows the sides traditionally have negotiated six-year labor agreements.

    Owners and players are scheduled to reconvene Wednesday or Thursday to set in motion a series of meetings that will determine whether the lockout is settled in time to save a full 82-game season. If the owners come to the table with an offer that promises more money than the flatlined $2 billion in Years 1-7 that they have been proposing, they’ll be getting somewhere. So that’s the first thing to watch for.

    Another major sticking point, for now, is the owner’s desire to transition from the current soft cap system to a hard cap system in Year 3 of the new CBA, which would necessitate an unprecedented giveback, perhaps through an unlimited escrow tax, perhaps from an across-the-board salary cut for every NBA player, that the players would simply not accept. (If Hunter put that proposal forward to his membership for a vote, it would be rejected, he would be out of a job, and the sides would go back to square one.)

    Also, a transition to a hard team cap in Year 3 would almost certainly necessitate the breakup of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami. You think the NBA really wants that?

    So the Year 3 transition that the league is seeking is actually a red herring. But if there were to be a transition to a hard cap (or a harder team cap through a more punitive luxury tax system) in Year 5 or Year 6, it would allow teams a half-decade of long-term financial planning to get ready for the new harder-cap system. This is one of the areas where it seems the owners have no choice but to soften their current stance.

    But here is the key thing, the two most important words to keep in mind as this lockout plays itself out: Aggregate dollars.

    Right now, the owners have offered the players slightly more than $12 billion in total compensation over the next six seasons. The players are seeking just under $15 billion.

    Somewhere in between $12 and $15 billion lies the settlement number, and they’ll get there one way or another. Once that happens, it’ll take only a few days to tweak other aspects of the CBA – pensions, the anti-drug policy, the draft, the age
     
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    Owners Propose Adding Third Round Of Draft
    Sep 07, 2011 10:55 AM EDT


    The NBA owners have proposed adding a third round to the NBA draft, according to sources.

    The union has countered by offering a variety of changes to the draft that would help address the desire for owners to improve competitive balance.

    "Under one proposal," writes Sheridan, "the 15 teams with the worst records would continue to pick 1st through 15th, but then would also have the 16th through 30th picks. The teams with the top 15 records would have the first 15 picks of the second round, then would have the 44th through 60th picks.

    "Under another proposal, the teams with the eight worst records would get an additional first round pick, beginning with selection No. 22, and the teams with the eight best records would have no first-round picks but would select at the top of the second round (picks 31 through 38), then also would get the final eight picks of the second round."

    Via Chris Sheridan/SheridanHoops.com


    Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/215489/Owners_Propose_Adding_Third_Round_Of_Draft#ixzz1XI1jxjcq
     
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    Owners, Players Hold Five-Hour Bargaining Session
    Sep 07, 2011 4:43 PM EDT


    The NBA and players' union held a five-hour bargaining session in New York on Wednesday.

    The two sides have agreed to meet again on Thursday and possibly on Friday.

    "I think there is" time to get a deal, union chief Billy Hunter said.

    Derek Fisher said negotiations have evolved to a point where compromise is close, though both he and Hunter said that it wouldn't happen "until deal is done."

    David Stern, Adam Silver and Dan Rube were present for the meeting representing the owners.

    Via Ken Berger/CBS Sports (via Twitter


    Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ld_Five_Hour_Bargaining_Session#ixzz1XIrKBUHV
     
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    ^Light at the end of the tunnel?
     
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    Ken Berger CBS tweeted this about an hour ago........

    Two sides have agreed to meet again Thursday and possibly Friday. "I think there is" time to get a deal, union chief Billy Hunter said. #NBA
     
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    David Aldridge.........

    Hunter, Fisher say talks will definitely continue tomorrow, perhaps Friday. But talking isn't agreeing to a deal, of course.
     
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    Ken Berger quoting Billy Hunter.......

    Full Hunter quote, when asked if enough time to reach deal: "I think there is. I think there clearly is. There's more than enough time."

    Best news we've heard in a long time!
     
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    Ken Berger on Stern.........

    David Stern echoed sentiment that there's enough time to save season. "Yes," he said. "We have three weeks."
     
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    Both sides to meet Thursday, possibly Friday.
     
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    Kegger at HCP's house Saturday if the NBA and players union reach an agreement by Friday!
     
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    If this season goes on as normal....... I will have a party! I promise!
     
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    Maybe both sides have realized that after the 1999 lock out they never got the whole fan base back and with the current economy there are even fewer fans sympathetic to either side. This league doesn't exist without the fans and I think they're cutting their own throats. I was already disgusted with the Miami (and rumored Knicks trio if/when Paul gets there) and now I'm to the point I don't even care if they have a season next year.

    I just feel for HCP and other employees (the regular ones) of these franchises who are just regular working stiffs like the rest of us. They're going to land in the unemployment line because these greedy millionaires are arguing with greedy billionaires about money despite the fact that the product the league has been producing has been in decline for years.
     
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    Tell me something important, HCP!
     
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    Something important...... I know. I landed a weekly show on CSN on Saturdays that's a GameDay type show. That's all I have for the next few months...... found out I will be making too much money in the one day to be eligible for unemployment. How's that?
     
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    That was my reaction to the news as my avatar!
     
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    League and union agreed to bring full committees to New York

    for meeting this Tuesday.

    Per the Twitters!
     
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    Re: League and union agreed to bring full committees to New York

    "We think it's getting to be an important time and it was a good idea to have larger committees."

    - David Stern
     
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    Re: League and union agreed to bring full committees to New York

    Stupid idea.


    Only bring the important people until there is something to vote on.
     
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    Ken Berger........

    League and union agreed to bring full committees to New York for larger meeting on Tuesday, David Stern said.
     
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    Ken Berger.....

    Stern said there is nothing formal to present to larger committees. Time was right to see if there will "be a deal or shouldn't be a deal."
     

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