<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 12 2006, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can guarantee that TMac doesn't guard JRich. Golden State would put Dunleavy on TMac, meaning TMac would guard Dunleavy.</div>That makes no sense at all. This isn't NBA Live, the other teams can cross-match. Just because Dunleavy is on McGrady doesn't mean McGrady has to be on Dunleavy on the other end. That is just a stupid assumption.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr Wolf @ Jul 13 2006, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This isn't NBA Live.</div>whats with all the fukn statistics ? basketballl is more than that. the mavs won the series, if tmac locked him down he would have forced dirk to the bench. dirk was still effective, tmac played good defence but not lockdown defenceask lebron how good a defender pierce is, and if you dont know what im talking bout check your box scores from the 05 season
Umm, didn't LeBron have a 50 point game, and triple double vs the Celtics in that OT game right before the all star break?
Having watched my favorite team, the Detroit Pistons, play both of these talented superstars in the playoffs, I have to go with Paul Pierce on this one. With exception to the 2003 and 2004 seasons, Pierce has always been an efficent scorer. He's more consistent than T-Mac. In my mind, this would be a closer comparison if not for McGrady's chronic back problems, a condition that has bothered him since his first year in Orlando. As he gets older, this condition is only going to worsen. No matter how much talent or how clutch a player is, if they are not on the court, that player is not worth it. Say what you want about Pierce, but he's missed exactly 8 games since the beginning of the 2000-01 season. Let's not forget this guy was stabbed outside a nightclub at the end of September 2001, and was back on the court for the start of the season, logging a career season to boot. McGrady, in that same timeframe, has missed 72 games.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 12 2006, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Umm, didn't LeBron have a 50 point game, and triple double vs the Celtics in that OT game right before the all star break?</div>no, it was Pierce that scored 50. Lebron did have a triple-double tho. And really, bringing up individual games is doing nothing.
He said check out the box scores, and I did. And Celtics only face the Rockets twice a year, and I brought them up. T-Mac outplayed Pierce this year in the season, despite having the back problems.
you can't say he outplayed him this season when Pierce played better AND he wasn't oft-injured thorughout the year. It's just biased to say that TMac had a better year.
When, T-Mac is completely healthy and at the top of his game, he is one of the elite players in the NBA. He can score big points, grab rebounds, and he is an above average playmaker. Paul Pierce loves to mainly score, not much more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sham @ Jul 13 2006, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When, T-Mac is completely healthy and at the top of his game, he is one of the elite players in the NBA. He can score big points, grab rebounds, and he is an above average playmaker. Paul Pierce loves to mainly score, not much more.</div>If that is the case why are there stat lines almost idenical? Same rbs, asts, stls. Only thing is Pierce %'s are better. I say this debate is basically a draw with the edge going to Pierce only because of health issues and having forced 2 trades in his career because he didn't like the situation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sham @ Jul 13 2006, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When, T-Mac is completely healthy and at the top of his game, he is one of the elite players in the NBA. He can score big points, grab rebounds, and he is an above average playmaker. Paul Pierce loves to mainly score, not much more.</div>What a lie. Pierce does way more than just score. He is one of the leading rebounders for a guard in the league, and has been doing that for almost his entire career. Pierce is just as good of a passer as McGrady, too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 13 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you can't say he outplayed him this season when Pierce played better AND he wasn't oft-injured thorughout the year. It's just biased to say that TMac had a better year.</div>When I say outplayed I emant in their one-on-one matchups, not through whole season.D-Rob: T-Mac didn't force anything. He wanted to stay in orlando, but the GM wanted him out. He presented a trade where he would get a chance to play with yao, and accepted.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 13 2006, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>D-Rob: T-Mac didn't force anything. He wanted to stay in orlando, but the GM wanted him out. He presented a trade where he would get a chance to play with yao, and accepted.</div>I guess the media never reported that then.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>When I say outplayed I emant in their one-on-one matchups, not through whole season.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 13 2006, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He said check out the box scores, and I did. And Celtics only face the Rockets twice a year, and I brought them up. T-Mac outplayed Pierce this year in the season, despite having the back problems.</div>it sounds to me like you said for the whole season.
i cant find that boxscore myself, i think it might have been from the 2003-2004 season, as richard pryor would say "fuk it". someone close this thread
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 14 2006, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it sounds to me like you said for the whole season.</div>Notice how I said they only face them twice. I brought up the back problems because in their first matchup when he scored 14pts he JUST came back from injury.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 13 2006, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Notice how I said they only face them twice. I brought up the back problems because in their first matchup when he scored 14pts he JUST came back from injury.</div>You helped prove one of my points of why I go with Pierce in this one, and would even if I was not a huge C's fan.
Umm, he still outplayed Pierce. Pierce had 19 points on 3-10 shooting, and 20 points on 5-13. T-Mac had 14pts on 5-10 shooting and 35 points on 14-20 shooting. T-Mac had 7 rebounds and 5 assists in the game he was fairly healthy, too.Back problems have plagued him for a long time, but he still played 78 games 2 seasons ago, around 70 the season before, and around 80 the season before. He was the best swingman in the league 2 seasons ago, and 4 seasons ago he was the best swingman. Pierce was declining for 3 straight seasons before this past season, so consistency really isn't an arguement here. And you can argue that's because he had to share the spotlight with Walker, but T-Mac still had better seasons in Orlando than pierce had last year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 13 2006, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Umm, he still outplayed Pierce. Pierce had 19 points on 3-10 shooting, and 20 points on 5-13. T-Mac had 14pts on 5-10 shooting and 35 points on 14-20 shooting. T-Mac had 7 rebounds and 5 assists in the game he was fairly healthy, too.Back problems have plagued him for a long time, but he still played 78 games 2 seasons ago, around 70 the season before, and around 80 the season before. He was the best swingman in the league 2 seasons ago, and 4 seasons ago he was the best swingman. Pierce was declining for 3 straight seasons before this past season, so consistency really isn't an arguement here. And you can argue that's because he had to share the spotlight with Walker, but T-Mac still had better seasons in Orlando than pierce had last year.</div>I say tomato, you say that's not a tomato. So are we debating who was better two seasons ago? I'm confused now because I thought it was for this season, not the season before the season before 2 seasons ago where he played "around 80". Just saying what I think. Let's agree to disagree.
