Resignation over flawed paper "debunking" man-made global warming

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Of course not. But whatever the do print did pass whatever their (peer review) standards were at the time. Let it stand.
     
  2. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    Yes, I linked to the Wegman paper in the "2" in my post above. The "1" links to a paper on rising sea levels that had some flawed assumptions built into their hypothesis.

    Wagner gave a good explanation why this paper wasn't vetted properly in his resignation:
     
  3. Denny Crane

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    Why should they consider the "scientific" arguments of others?

    It shouldn't matter in the least if 97% of scientists polled say the earth revolves around the sun. If a scientist wants to present his "scientific" observations that the earth orbits the sun, who's right?

    I don't see any need whatsoever to address crystal spheres, beautiful geometry, someone else's computer model, etc.
     
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    The Wegman issue is interesting in it's own right. There is a deliberate and targeted effort to attack all his work and have it all retracted. By the same group of scientists.

    How can you not question their motives and see the bias and attempts to squash reports that make the consensus view questionable at best?

    I'd be truly amazed if a lot of peer reviewed work didn't have some incidental flaw, like a copy/paste from WikiPedia. So why focus on just Wegman?
     
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    Because this is how science works. Some genius publishes ground breaking work and others build on it.

    If the hypothesis is sound, the methods are bullet-proof and it has passed the peer review then why not publish work on the earth revolving around the sun? No one is arguing otherwise.

    If you are going to publish work that refutes the dominant theory in any field of science expect extra scrutiny.
     
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    Well, it should probably have something new to say. That the earth revolves around the sun is pretty well established, it would be hard to get published just repeating what everyone already knows :)

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    How would that work? Something along the lines of:

    "I am receiving political pressure from interests vested in the continued treatment of global warming as a man-made problem. As a result, I fear my career in this field may be in jeopardy. To avoid this, I am resigning from my post."

    ?

    Ed O.
     
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    How about:
    "It is with great sadnes that I announce my resignation from Remote Sensing due to the political climate surrounding the publishing of this (crap-tastic) paper."

    It is possible to be vague and assert that you are leaving against your will. I'm sure you could do a better job using your imagination and legendary writing skills.
     
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    Why would he do that, though? Why further piss off people who are potentially spoiling your career? If he doesn't MIND pissing them off and/or risking his career, then he'd just stay.

    I'm not saying that this is evidence that he was forced out, but that his lack of recognition of that doesn't preclude it.

    Ed O.
     
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    Top ten signs global warming is a fraud

     
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    Why are all the links in what you posted link to their front page?

    It would be believable that those were bad "signs" if they at least linked to a direct page instead of circle linking (not to be confused with circle jerking, although it pretty much is the same thing).

    Especially the one that says the world isn't warming, considering we just had one of the hottest summers on record.
     
  12. Denny Crane

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    The links contain javascript to open windows or whatever.
     
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    didn't open anything for me.
     
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    ...they should all open to a new tab/window :dunno:
     
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    didn't for me.

    I'll counter with this though.


    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/the-global-cooling-mole/

    http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/gwdeniers.html


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  16. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Didn't work for me either, not that I mind terribly.

    barfo
     
  17. Denny Crane

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    The links will only work on the origin site because their JavaScript isn't loaded on our pages (just their pages).
     
  18. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I don't think that's the problem. If I go to their site their links still don't work.

    barfo
     
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    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/09/hurricanes-and-global-warming/

    (ooooops! Hurricanes are weather. And this claim of global warming leading to more hurricanes is rubbish)
     
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