Quis played more games than Croshere last season. Pittsnogle can't be a worse NBA Player than Austin.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Pittsnogle can't be a worse NBA Player than Austin.</div> That's a joke, there's a reason he went undrafted. He's a big guy who settles for jumpers, Croshere is a proven vet and has playoff experience with the Pacers. Also, Croshere had two concussions last year that explains the amount of games he missed. Daniels has never played for a good period after his rookie season. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>While Croshere is a good perimeter shooter, I think they could have gotten a much better deal for the young stud Daniels.</div> I just don't get this, Mavs settled on this deal because it's probably the best one they were offered. No one is going to give up a lot for Daniels.
Peja, Rodmonovic, and Dirk are big men that settles for Jumpers and what does that make Austin? + Marquis PPG has went up each year and his Games played has went up. While Croshere's best season was his third. and points havent been in double figures since. + Mike James was a better Deal than this one Nelson just didn't want to take on a 5 year contract of a 31 year old.
Great analysis by a couple other Mavs fans: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>A couple of thoughts:1. I don't understand the sentiment that "this is all we are getting" for Marquis Daniels. What, exactly, is Marquis Daniels? The 9th or 10th man? Sure, he's got potential, but so do a lot of other players in the league. Bottom line, he wasn't good enough or consistent enough to crack the rotation here. Austin Croshere is a very good shooter and an extremely solid player. He is an upgrade from KVH (in my opinion) and has the ability to be a spot starter if Dirk is hurt as well as the ability to simply play the role of Dirk's backup next year. Those that think that we didn't get enough talent-wise for Marquis are overrating him. This is a good trade without even considering the financial implications.2. That said, the financial impact of the deal is very good, too. We drop several years of paying a guy who can't crack the rotation MLE minutes in exchange for a guy with an expiring contract. That gives the Mavs several options. Ken hit on one of them, but I think what it's doing is clearing the way for Cuban to spend the MLE on James (or someone else) for the next 4-5 years without drastically increasing payroll. Really nice trade, taking a guy who honestly had negative trade value and turning him into a useable piece that fills a need.</div> By kgveteran, and another by tmavfan: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Roughing out some math, it looks like we probably have enough room under the LT to resign Griff and spend the MLE this summer. Next summer, if there are no trades and Josh gets a deal starting at about $8 million, we can probably spend the MLE again and not be a LT payer then either. Another possibility is the Mav's think either Powell or DJ can become a backup 4 some day and this buys them another year. I've also mentioned several times that Stack can't be traded because his expiring deal is what allows us to pay Howard next summer without having to go into LT territory. Well, that isn't true any longer. You could trade Stack for a similar contract (instead of spending the MLE on James) and still come out under the LT next summer because of the expiring Croshere deal. Not saying they will, just saying they have more flexibility than they once had.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Peja, Rodmonovic, and Dirk are big men that settles for Jumpers and what does that make Austin? + Marquis PPG has went up each year and his Games played has went up. While Croshere's best season was his third. and points havent been in double figures since. + Mike James was a better Deal than this one Nelson just didn't want to take on a 5 year contract of a 31 year old.</div> Are you saying Mavs should have paid Vlad a multi year deal. We can't sign Peja because were under the cap. What does that make Austin? A backup pf for Dirk that also has ramifications down the line in improving our team. Your not seeing that because all your thinking is Daniels. Who cares what numbers Austin put up, he's a role player. Also, those numbers of games he played is skewed, his rookie year, he barely played at the beginning. He played a whole lot at the end of the season. His 2nd season, no doubt he was going to get much more time but injuries occured. The next season, he still had injuries but not as severe. So he played more. Still doesn't discount Avery did not play him over any of the other swingman, especially when everyone was healthy. He was the odd man out. But he played more then the other years because of the injuries to our swings(Howard, Stack, Griff). Um, Raptors turned down the offer of Daniels for James. It wasn't us, and why are we still after James despite the trade not going down? As stated above by other posters, this allows us give James possibly another year or two.
The trade of James was us not signing him to 5 years. Marquis playing time wasn't very low at 23 MPG. 10ppg + Marquis Played 3rd string PG 2nd string SG and 2nd string SF he started 29 games, he was getting time. Regardless of whatever people say Marquis Daniels is a better player than Austin Croshere. the Mavericks have role players, Powell, Marshall, DJ Mbenga, Podkolzin, and Darrell Armstrong, It's called the BENCH. Croshere just doesn't offer the Mavericks any thing with Keith VanHorn being better and more Versitale than him. he's just a waste of Roster space. VanHorn's Contract regardless of whohe plays for won't be as high as it was last season, making more than Dirk. So we cold have just resigned KVH. I'd rather we had kept everything the same.
This trade probably made alot of Dallas Mavericks fans happy! hahaha jk. this was extremely stupid. Keith Van Horn is better than Austin Croshere so i dont see why they did this at all. He is older, has a bigger contract, and is ALOT worse. wow, i dont get how this benefits the Dallas Mavericks
Keith Van Horn sucked for us, and Croshere is a better rebounder. Bottom line, if we signed Van Horn, it would have been a multi year deal while with Croshere, it's one year. Who cares if Daniels is a better player, he doesn't fit a role on the team. Are you serious with Marshall, Pavel? Those guys have proven nothing and will not impact the game at all this year. DJ and Powell will get minutes, but were still weak, that's where Croshere comes in. Why did you mention DA, when he's not even resigned. It still doesn't discount Raps turned down the offer. Also, stop posting numbers when their skewed. If you watched the Mavs at all the past year, you would know he did not play much when it counted. His minutes went up because of injuries over the course of the season. Their basically the same player, one helps us achieve a goal in terms of future, the other nothing. Also, don't forget how Van Horn basically disappeared. Croshere has had some big games in the playoffs at least. He does his job better then what Van Horn was supposed to do. His contract expires, and that big contract comes off the books. Get it? Just read any of my other posts and see how it plays in the future for Mavs.
I like this trade for both teams alot. Now the Mavs can let KVH go and not have to worry about resigning him, which saves so money right there, and in the future. It also helps the Pacers not to have to stress if they can't resign Fred Jones, I view Daniels as more of a 2 than a 3. He can play the 1, 2, or 3 though. I think it also gives them a solid starter, with White as his backup if by some miracle they can move SJax, hey I wonder if Denver would be interested in Jack?
Marquis Daniels was a good player for Dallas I am sad to see him go for Croshere. Daniels contributes more.
KVH did his job as a back up and so did Marquis, but apparently Nelson's preparing for the future trying to save money. Maybe he has a plan for Next season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jul 6 2006, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>His contract expires, and that big contract comes off the books. Get it? Just read any of my other posts and see how it plays in the future for Mavs.</div>ok, tell me when Marquis Daniels contract expires
I like Daniels for Indy, but Croshere?The man shoots. That's all. No defense. No slashing. No shot-blocking. He shoots, that's all
And they dont even need anyone behind Dirk. If they were going to trade Daniels, they should have traded him for someone who would be atleast useful...like a sign + trade for fred jones maybe..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>KVH did his job as a back up and so did Marquis, but apparently Nelson's preparing for the future trying to save money. Maybe he has a plan for Next season.</div> No he didn't, in the Finals had a +/- rating of -31 when on the floor. He did not hit his threes during the playoffs and Quis did not play much at all. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>ok, tell me when Marquis Daniels contract expires</div> 2010, and he didn't play much, so we would be paying him to sit on the bench. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And they dont even need anyone behind Dirk. If they were going to trade Daniels, they should have traded him for someone who would be atleast useful...like a sign + trade for fred jones maybe..</div> Look at who plays behind Dirk right now, Josh Powell. Do you know who that is? Probably not, only Mavs fans or NC State fans do. He's still a developing forward, bringing in a vet that Mavs want to space the floor is useful then another guard/forward that would be playing behind Stack, Harris, Howard, Terry, and Ager.
Doesn't that contradict your statement when you said KVH did his job? Because he obviously didn't, not only in the Finals but the whole year.
The Mavs got a good trade in here. I read somewhere that Daniels wasnt the greatest friend to Avery Johnson and Austin Croshere will definitely help Dallas out in the big man spot. Did you guys see how many times Dallas had to go the 4th quarter without a big man? He will be useful at times and I bet Avery likes this trade. :happy0144:
This trade makes absolutley no sense for the mavericks. they trade a young player who averaged 10 points in not that many minutes for a older, slower, and worse back up PF that wont see the light of day. He didnt play that much in Indy and he wont play that much in dallas. the only thing that i can think of is that they think Mo Ager is better and they want him to get instant PT.
Well I thought Croshere was an ok player but after reading some of the things about him I can't believe Dallas couldn't get better. This is Avery's fault for not giving Daniels the opportunity to succeed with Dallas. He was misusing Daniels ever since he started coaching.
