Who is the true heavyweight champion in MMA?

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  1. speeds

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    Velasquez defeated Brock Lesnar to become the current UFC champion. By defeating the incumbent champion, he automatically earns the title. But this isn't the only way of determining the UFC champion if you are a nerd like myself.


    The first method is using UFC fights only, from the first UFC heavyweight champion (inaugural title awarded to Mark Coleman for winning UFC 12 bout vs. Dan Severn). Only UFC fights are counted. Note that the progression doesn't exactly follow the UFC's line (due to titles being forfeited, stripped, etc.) but eventually finds its way to the same conclusion.

    Mark Coleman d. Dan Severn, UFC 12, becoming the first UFC HW champion
    Maurice Smith d. Mark Coleman, UFC 14
    Randy Couture d. Maurice Smith, UFC Japan

    Randy Couture is stripped in 1998 due to a contract dispute. Bas Rutten defeats Kevin Randleman for the vacant title in 1999 but forfeits the title to drop down to light heavyweight. In terms of the linear championship, Couture remains champion until he fights in the UFC again--he has three successful linear title defenses against Randleman, Rizzo, and Rizzo again.

    (Josh Barnett d. Randy Couture, UFC 36)

    Barnett pisses hot after the bout and is stripped of the title. The result of the bout isn't overturned (should've been ruled a no-contest), yet for the purposes of this discussion Couture retains his title.

    Ricco Rodriguez d. Randy Couture, UFC 39
    (Tim Sylvia d. Ricco Rodriguez, UFC 41)

    Tim Sylvia stripped of title after pissing hot, bout result with Rodriguez not overturned. Rodriguez retains title.

    Pedro Rizzo d. Ricco Rodriguez, UFC 45

    Rizzo never fights in the UFC again and retains his UFC heavyweight title in perpetuity. At this point we can pick back up at UFC 48, where conveniently enough Mir and Sylvia fight for the vacant heavyweight strap.

    Frank Mir d. Tim Sylvia, UFC 48

    Frank Mir is involved in a serious motorcycle accident following the event forcing him to vacate the title. The UFC puts an "interim" label on the strap in the meantime. The UFC expected him to be back sooner but the interim title gradually becomes the actual title because Mir is out for so long. I think we should let Mir keep his belt. We split-off from the UFC's official title for a bit but wouldn't you know we'll be merging right back again in no time.

    Marcio Cruz d. Frank Mir, UFC 57

    Wait, Marcio Cruz? Yeah. Now we have Rizzo and Cruz both being champions at one point. Cruz defeats Mir in his return bout, only to be defeated by Jeff Monson a few months later, where the line merges back into the UFC's official picture.

    Jeff Monson d. Marcio Cruz, UFC 59
    Tim Sylvia d. Jeff Monson, UFC 65
    Randy Couture d. Tim Sylvia, UFC 68
    Brock Lesnar d. Randy Couture, UFC 91
    Cain Velasquez d. Brock Lesnar, UFC 121

    So by this standard, we have two rightful champions: Pedro Rizzo, who "retires" from the UFC with the unofficial championship, and Cain Velasquez, having defeated the last linear champion (Brock Lesnar).






    Things get a little wackier if you only consider wins and losses across any promotion. The belt becomes less of a UFC trophy and more of a world championship at this point. There are no interruptions for this method since nobody is stripped and the title never gets vacated. Check it out:

    Mark Coleman d. Dan Severn, UFC 12
    Maurice Smith d. Mark Coleman, UFC 14
    Randy Couture d. Maurice Smith, UFC Japan
    Enson Inoue d. Randy Couture, Vale Tudo Japan 1998
    Mark Kerr d. Enson Enoue, Pride Grand Prix 2000
    Kazuyuki Fujita d. Mark Kerr, Pride Grand Prix 2000
    Mark Coleman d. Kazuyuki Fujita, Pride Grand Prix 2000
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira d. Mark Coleman, Pride 16
    Fedor Emelianenko d. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Pride 25
    Fabricio Werdum d. Fedor Emelianenko, Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum
    Alistair Overeem d. Fabricio Werdum, Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum

    The current world heavyweight champion, beginning with the UFC Heavyweight Championship, is Alistair Overeem.





    Finally, if you consider the winner of the UFC 1 open-weight tournament (Royce Gracie) the first HW champion...

    Royce Gracie d. Gerard Gordeau, UFC 1
    Kazushi Sakuraba d. Royce Gracie, Pride Grand Prix 2000
    Igor Vovchanchyn d. Kazushi Sakuraba, Pride Grand Prix 2000
    Mark Coleman d. Igor Vovchanchyn, Pride Grand Prix 2000

    ...we rejoin the non-exclusive list above where Big Nog defeats Coleman and we wind up with Overeem as the champion.




    So if there are five ways of determining the champion, only two lead us to Velasquez (Velasquez x2, Rizzo, Overeem x2). Strange how that works out, no?
     
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    Still sticking with Velasquez! Although it seems that if Alistair beats Brock he'll probably get a shot at the UFC HW belt and a chance to prove he is the rightful champ according to the lineage you posted AND unify the UFC and SF HW belts... thus realigning the UFC HW champion as the true HW champion of the world?
     
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    UFC FIGHTS ONLY

    Pat Miletich d. Mikey Burnett, UFC Brazil
    Carlos Newton d. Pat Miletich, UFC 31
    Matt Hughes d. Carlos Newton, UFC 34
    B.J. Penn d. Matt Hughes, UFC 46

    B.J. Penn stripped of title following contract dispute.

    Georges St-Pierre d. B.J. Penn, UFC 58
    Matt Serra d. Georges St-Pierre, UFC 69
    Georges St-Pierre d. Matt Serra, UFC 83


    ALL FIGHTS

    Pat Miletich d. Mikey Burnett, UFC Brazil
    Carlos Newton d. Pat Miletich, UFC 31
    Matt Hughes d. Carlos Newton, UFC 34
    B.J. Penn d. Matt Hughes, UFC 46
    Lyoto Machida d. B.J. Penn, K-1 Heroes 1
    Mauricio Rua d. Lyoto Machida, UFC 113
    Jon Jones d. Mauricio Rua, UFC 128
     
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    UFC FIGHTS ONLY

    Jens Pulver d. Caol Uno, UFC 30

    Jens Pulver stripped of title following contract dispute.

    Joe Lauzon d. Jens Pulver, UFC 63
    Kenny Florian d. Joe Lauzon, UFC Fight Night 13
    B.J. Penn d. Kenny Florian, UFC 101
    Frank Edgar d. B.J. Penn, UFC 112


    ALL FIGHTS

    Jens Pulver d. Caol Uno, UFC 30
    Duane Ludwig d. Jens Pulver, UCC 12: Adrenaline
    B.J. Penn d. Duane Ludwig, K-1 MMA: Romanex
    Lyoto Machida d. B.J. Penn, K-1 Heroes 1
    Mauricio Rua d. Lyoto Machida, UFC 113
    Jon Jones d. Mauricio Rua, UFC 128
     
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    Light Heavyweight

    UFC FIGHTS ONLY

    Frank Shamrock d. Kevin Jackson, UFC Japan

    Frank Shamrock retires, keeping UFC LHW title in perpetuity.

    Tito Ortiz d. Wanderlei Silva, UFC 25
    Randy Couture d. Tito Ortiz, UFC 34
    Vitor Belfort d. Randy Couture, UFC 46
    Randy Couture d. Vitor Belfort, UFC 49
    Chuck Liddell d. Randy Couture, UFC 52
    Quinton Jackson d. Chuck Liddell, UFC 71
    Forrest Griffin d. Quinton Jackson, UFC 86
    Rashad Evans d. Forrest Griffin, UFC 92
    Lyoto Machida d. Rashad Evans, UFC 98
    Maurilo Rua d. Lyoto Machida, UFC 113
    Jon Jones d. Maurilo Rua, UFC 128


    ALL FIGHTS

    Frank Shamrock d. Kevin Jackson, UFC Japan
    Renzo Gracie d. Frank Shamrock, EliteXC: Destiny
    Matt Hughes d. Renzo Gracie, UFC 112
    B.J. Penn d. Matt Hughes, UFC 123
     
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    Middleweight

    UFC FIGHTS ONLY

    Dave Menne d. Gil Castillo, UFC 33
    Murilo Bustamante d. Dave Menne, UFC 35

    Murilo Bustamante stripped of title after contract dispute, never fought for UFC again, retains championship in perpetuity.

    Evan Tanner d. David Terrell, UFC 51
    Rich Franklin d. Evan Tanner, UFC 53
    Anderson Silva d. Rich Franklin, UFC 64


    ALL FIGHTS

    Dave Menne d. Gil Castillo, UFC 33
    Murilo Bustamante d. Dave Menne, UFC 35
    Quinton Jackson d. Murilo Bustamante, Pride Total Elimination 2003
    Wanderlei Silva d. Quinton Jackson, Pride Final Conflict 2003
    Mark Hunt d. Wanderlei Silva, Pride Shockwave 2004
    Josh Barnett d. Mark Hunt, Pride Critical Countdown Absolute
    Mirko Filipovic d. Josh Barnett, Pride Final Conflict Absolute
    Gabriel Gonzaga d. Mirko Filipovic, UFC 70
    Randy Couture d. Gabriel Gonzaga, UFC 74
    Brock Lesnar d. Randy Couture, UFC 91
    Cain Velasquez d. Brock Lesnar, UFC 121
     
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    Lightweight: Frank Edgar (current), Frank Edgar (UFC), Jon Jones (linear)
    Welterweight: Georges St-Pierre (current), Georges St-Pierre (UFC), Jon Jones (linear)
    Middleweight: Murilo Bustamante (retired), Anderson Silva (current), Anderson Silva (UFC), Cain Velasquez (linear)
    Light Heavyweight: Frank Shamrock (retired), Jon Jones (current), Jon Jones (UFC), B.J. Penn (linear)
    Heavyweight: Pedro Rizzo (retired), Cain Velasquez (current), Cain Velasquez (UFC), Alistair Overeem (linear), Alistair Overeem (linear- open weight)


    YOUR LINEAR WORLD CHAMPIONS!

    Lightweight - Jon Jones
    Welterweight - Jon Jones
    Middleweight - Cain Velasquez
    Light Heavyweight - B.J. Penn
    Heavyweight - Alistair Overeem

    That is bat-shit insane.
     

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