FINALLY! Don't Ask Don't Tell is over!!

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Well said, GOD. The sooner we get started the better, though. It was tough on black fellas when the military was integrated years ago, and now nobody thinks twice about it.
     
  2. 44Thrilla

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    ????? spill it...
     
  3. EL PRESIDENTE

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    Richard jefferson is supposedly bi

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  4. Further

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    It's not the business of anyone here. Besides, even if I said it was player X, it would just be a claim from some schumck on the internet.
     
  5. EL PRESIDENTE

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    Yep. Jefferson. Confirmed by GOD. :NOTMARIS:
     
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    you're not a schmuck. don't be so hard on yourself.
     
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    You didn't hear about him winking at KS? That was big news!
     
  8. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    fixed.

    barfo
     
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    wow and I thought winking at someone was a flattering gesture.
     
  10. BrianFromWA

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    bumped b/c I know many of you are interested.

    This article provides a decent, open-source look at the military training going on for this. I did the training this week for unit OICs and commanders, and it's identical to what the Marines in the article seem to have gone through. I can't give more quotes b/c they're protected behind a PKI firewall, but it's a start.

    From what I've heard, timeline for this is completion of training by June, and President and CJCS signing off 60 days later (barring any issues of "readiness", which wouldn't even be brought up even if there were some).

    Some quotes:
    Another one that wasn't posted in the article, but resonated a bit with me is the contention that, under the UCMJ and manual for Courts-Martial, the contract one signed when they signed up did not have any clause or promise that the environment you signed up for would be in effect for the duration of your service. Early terminations or retirements are not being permitted b/c of this, and if you have problems with it you can either comply with orders or go to a court-martial. The exception is for chaplains...if they have their ecclesiastical authority (the Catholic church, or the Southern Baptist Convention or whatever) remove the church's endorsement to serve the military from a chaplain, the chaplain can be administratively (vice punitively) separated without much of a problem.
     
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    If so, it seems redundant to mention sexual orientation at all. Why even refer to it as hetero and homo rather than simply sex?

    And why are the penalties harsher for homosexuals?
     
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    It quite obviously prohibits many, many people from serving in the military.

    For instance, anyone who "asks" and anyone who "tells".
     
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    Dont ask dont tell was a fucked up deal. I am glad to see that go away.

    For a different point than most have considered, it now will protect straight guys and gals as well as those that are gay.

    Example, I went in the service in the mid 70s. There was no official dont ask policy but as you might understand, it was not talked about, and most talk was scoffed at.

    I was in boot camp and was repeatedly hit on by the drill instructor, the guy would follow me around, call me into private discussions, offer me favors if I would take an interest in him etc. Not a comfortable situation for a kid to be in.

    I talked to several other DIs and most scoffed, the one guy that would admit that he was aware, told me how to change graduating classes. This was no easy feat, it caused me to have to have surgery (needed at some point, but no big deal) and then start Boot all over again.

    Yeah, you give up most of your rights when you join, but with the subject now in the open, there should be less of a problem for all.

    And as a post script..As a horny 18 year old a unisex shower would have been a bad idea lol
     
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    Bump for it REALLY being over.
     
  15. KingSpeed

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    Sure it did. What about someone who was openly gay especially in the public eye? I did interviews with Out and The Advocate about 10 years ago. If, say, 3 or 4 years ago, I decided that I wanted to join the military, I wouldn't have been allowed to.


    Amen.
     
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    you're gay?

    :MARIS61:
     
  17. Denny Crane

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    This thread was started a year ago. What took so long?
     
  18. BrianFromWA

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    for one, you had to train about 2M members of the military face-to-face and report completion.

    To speculate, it was probably also to make sure that there were infrastructure and programs in place to support the repeal. Things like counseling, legal, etc.
     
  19. Denny Crane

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    What a waste of time and money.
     
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    We serve at the pleasure of our civilian masters. :)
     

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