If you've said before what your major is I apologize for not remembering, but could you say it again? The latter half is what I'm talking about. I agree that STEM majors are difficult. I agree it sucks to do pages of calc proofs and Laplace transforms rather than party. 80-page wind tunnel lab reports aren't fun. But my point is that if you wanted to major in something other than a) something that is in demand, b) something that the government is pushing (STEM, or even "alternative" stuff if that's what they want to focus on) or c) something that you can use to start your own business and make profitable, then IMO that's your choice and the gov't doesn't owe you an education. As I said, I have respect for someone that spends 10 years learning everything about an oboe or ancient mediterranean religions. But I don't feel that the government should be spending money on that (even opportunity cost) or even advocating that it's a good idea to do so if you want a career there. Something I was just thinking about was wondering if state institutions (UW, OSU, etc) should be able to dictate how many students are available in each major. The Naval Academy does that, and ensures that most of the people who graduate do so with engineering degrees, that only a very small number can be pre-med, and that a small percentage can be poli-sci, history, etc.
No it's not. The board members of Ben & Jerry's can act individually to speak out against corporate involvement. You can't split yourself up like B&J's can. I have no problem with Ben & Jerry's taking the stance they do--even as I find it hypocritical--because I think that corporate entities play an important role in forming a healthy political and economic environment. It is my impression that Occupiers want corporations out of the public debate and out of government. Their message doesn't limit itself to corporate corruption. Only one of the five bullets mentions it, and things like "higher education" are entirely unrelated as far as I can tell. It's just a grab-bag of liberal messages that seems a crude attempt to curry favor with progressives. Ed O.
MS Computer Science Graduating in this economy with debt in the 5 to 6 figure range is scary as hell. I don't agree with absolving student debt but I can sympathies with those who do . North Carolina state schools do this. These limits are set by the resources available to teach them, not the demand for any given majors in the "real world". My program tops out at 60 people but so does the history masters program
The Tea Party won elections and elected Tea Party candidates. This movement will never do that and they look very disorganized. Also the TP never got arrested at rallies IIRC. We have no more money to hand out, it is embarrassing what these OW people are running on.
I'd suggest you do a little research on the movement. I'd argue that four of the five points are related to corporate corruption. The education issue addresses the inequality issue.
Ya know, I have been following this for some time. How about this for a solution. Follow the old USSR system that educated children based upon ability andd forcasted need. All schooling was of no cost. If one excelled in an athletic endevour, then they went to camps for that at no cost to the child or his family. Hell, lets take this one step further and equlalize all the wealth in this country, socialize medicine and manufacturing..But anyone with half a friggen clue knows how well that worked out.
I posted this in another thread, but I think it's worth a repeat. If it weren't so sad, it would be very funny..... http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=15915
Yeah the Banks got bailed out tough luck. They shouldn't next time. We're already carrying your worthless behinds and these people need to go hunting for a job instead of panhandling.
I'd suggest that there is no centralized movement. Marxists and anarchists and unions are using it as a vessel to rail against the status quo. Your argument would be a weak one, then. To pin those things on "corporate corruption" is to create a bogeyman of epic proportions. And, in my opinion, it makes you look a little insane. "We are in an unemployment crisis. Almost 14 million people are unemployed. Nearly 20% of African American men are unemployed. Over 25% of our nation’s youth are unemployed." "Corporate corruption" fails to employ blacks and youth? That's ridiculous. "Many workers who have jobs have to work 2 or 3 of them just to scrape by." "Corporate corruption" makes people work longer hours? Silliness. "Higher education is almost impossible to obtain without going deeply in debt." "Corporate corruption" drives up costs for higher education? Where does the bullshit idea that all of these things are tied to "corporate corruption" come from? Even the press release doesn't assert that. Ed O.
Yeah it is a little sad bluefrog thinks this is some amazing phenomena. He sounds so satisfied with himself, like this is some new day for America. But in Spain the same thing has been happening since May 15, Socialist youngsters have been protesting against the Socialist President and his failed policies. Bluefrog I know more about Socialist movements than you do. I honestly could not care less about your tuition problems either. It is time to recognize how broken the school grant/loan system is. Not continue your entitlement mentality. These kids are a joke and are greedy morons. Stealing/Taxing millionaires 100% of their profits will not make us solvent either.
true, unfortunately. The Tea Partiers had Fox and right wing radio. For better or worse the OWS just has the internet. I hope it gets better organized Some of it's corporate corruption, some of it's inequality. What's the driver behind inequality? Laziness? Liberals? I think that's the driver of all of this. Why has the richest 1%'s piece of the pie grown dramatically while the rest's has stagnated?
I have 3 jobs (and a family and I go to school full time). What do you do? How did you pay your way through college? As long as we're judging each other go ahead and post a list of why you're better than me.
That post was meant for everyone here, not you. My complete response is too raunchy to say.... I'll give you the PG version. Some of us are indeed better, specifically the people that work hard and don't ask for more handouts.
There's a clear relationship. As government has grown, it has been taking an increasing share of the economy, leaving worth-less dollars for individuals to buy things. They can print money, but they can't make more land in desirable places to live where the land is owned and built on.
I think the problem is that the original concept of the OW movement was clear, but has since been muddled by the huge overflow of angry young people who have hopped on the bandwagon and added just about anything and everything that pisses them off right now. The movement wasn't about the environment or student loans. Of course if you walk up to a bunch of 20 somethings and ask them why they're mad, they're going to throw out everything under the sun. "I'm mad about the environment, I'm mad about my student loans, I'm mad about the rising cost of video games, I'm mad about my weight gain from eating too much pizza, I'm mad about the cost of beer, I'm mad about that bitch that wouldn't give me her phone number at the club last night because she said I needed to take a shower.... etc"
I worked three jobs to pay my way through school. Minimum wage was $2.50 back then, too. I'd have never taken a loan for school. I paid in state tuition at a state school. Even today in California, state school tuition isn't so high that you can't pay for it at minimum wage. My 3 jobs were at a title company, the ice arena, and the USGS. I was able to do homework and study at the ice rink between classes.
Yeah that was pretty much what I was going to say. State tuition looks pretty fair, it costs like $5000-$7000 a year over here.
