Occupy Wall Street

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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  2. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    If nothing else this movement (and the Tea Party) has gotten people more interested in politics.
     
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    And that is a good thing. People need to be more aware and vote their conscious.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    This movement should be called the Flea Party.
     
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    You got that from Ann Coulter.
     
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    I got it from a headline/link on one of the sites I read. Realclearpolitics.com or AP or Yahoo!
     
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    I wish they would become the Flee Party.
     
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    The "what people want" is all-but-impossible to achieve. We might as well ask people which superheroes people want to exist.

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    I'd agree with you there. I think the interesting part of that graph is the middle one.

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    I think it's indicative of definitions, though.

    I make a pretty good salary, have been putting away toward retirement, have an "emergency" cash fund, and yet my net worth is negative because my house is upside down by almost 100k. So even though I'm ok check-to-check, I'm in the "no wealth" category, right?

    I think it's a relatively misleading graph, but I can understand what happens when the populace at large answers questions they know nothing about.
     
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    Why do you think it is misleading? Because you think you are better off than your wealth would indicate?

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    Someone in their 20's and 30's with a car payment, the average US savings, and who rents a home probably has a negative net worth...without even going into credit cards and student debt. But I'm pretty sure that if you asked someone fitting those attributes about where they fall in the "wealth" category, I don't think they'd say they fall into the worst 20% and have negative wealth.

    Edit: It reminds me of a slogan I saw from a missionary, who probably stole it from some rabid neo-conservative:
    "in the US, you are part of the 99%. To the rest of the world, you are the 1%."
    World Bank stats back that up...80% of the world lives on less than $10 a day ($3650 a year), and 50% live on less than 2.50 a day ($912 a year).
     
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    Of course, we're all assuming the graphs are correct.
     
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    Well, that's kind of the point of the graph. Those on the bottom of the scale *think* they are better off than they are. Which is really very interesting.

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    After 30 years, his mortgage will be paid off. The chart doesn't reflect that. Nor does it reflect the vast amount of wealth lost by the bottom 80% from the stock market and housing bubbles. Nor does it reflect the value of social security as an annuity. Nor does it account for the govt.'s wealth, considering all the raw land it owns as well as office buildings, airports, etc.
     
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    Of course they're accurate. They're from Michael Norton at i.i.com, and they know exactly what people think!
     
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    Why should it?

    Actually, I think it does show the results of that, unless it is an old graph.

    That's a good point.

    Ok, I guess you could argue that we are all wealthier because we own a share of the government holdings. Does that change the relative wealth distribution shown? I guess if the government's wealth is much larger than the total private wealth, then the differences among citizens would be washed out by the government contribution to each person's wealth.

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    It is an interesting thing to ponder... the distribution of wealth between individuals is something we're looking at, but how much is that distribution of wealth between individuals as compared to the wealth owned by the federal and state governments? I don't know, but it would definitely have some moderating effect on the distribution of wealth.

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