<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 7 2006, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Except, Paul was in his rookie year and he still had better scoring stats then Kidd. That tells you that he is definately better at scoring the basketball. I've awtahced him, and he is very unselfish. Alot of times he passed the ball instead of getting an opportunity for himself..</div>Jason Kidd doesn't pass the ball much either? Jason averaged 18 PPG one season, he can definitely score. Paul is going to get more help, it's not like hes going to average alot more points this upcoming season.
Jason Kidd is a crappy shooter, and shot .400 throughout his career. He definately cannot "score when he wants to". Paul is a rookie and already has better scoring numbers then him.
And Paul shot 43% this year, not much of an upgrade but it still isn't a great number either. I never mentioned shooting, I said scoring in general which Kidd can do.
Maybe because he was thrust into the starting spot in his rookie year. You're not going to shoot fantastic numbers in your rookie year. Paul already shoots better, scores more then Kidd and on a better percentage and Kidd is a vet, Paul was a rookie. Just give up dude...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 7 2006, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe because he was thrust into the starting spot in his rookie year. You're not going to shoot fantastic numbers in your rookie year. Paul already shoots better, scores more then Kidd and on a better percentage and Kidd is a vet, Paul was a rookie. Just give up dude...</div>Thrust? Most players who are selected at the fourth pick are going to start. No one has said you will shoot great in your first year but when you get surrounded by better players your going to shoot even less. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Paul was a rookie. Just give up dude...</div>Give me a better comparison then, Isiah Thomas makes no sense because he couldn't play any defense and comparing Paul to a 30 PPG scorer doesn't make much sense either.
When you score close to 17 ppg in your rookie year, you know you will be better offensively then Jason freaking Kidd. Give up, this is over.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 7 2006, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When you score close to 17 ppg in your rookie year, you know you will be better offensively then Jason freaking Kidd. Give up, this is over.</div>Wow I was expecting a little bit more, you let me down. Basically, Paul is averaging two more points then Kidd averaged in his career. Now for the last time, when you get a BETTER supporting cast you will shoot LESS. You said it yourself, he had lots of chances which he didn't take, imagine what he would do when surrounded by Peja. Really, with the addition of Peja do you expect him to average 20 points or something? He will stay near 16 points or so. You can say he is a slightly better scorer but they are equal in every other aspect of the game.BTW, next time try to post something smarter then "Give up".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Jul 8 2006, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow I was expecting a little bit more, you let me down. Basically, Paul is averaging two more points then Kidd averaged in his career. Now for the last time, when you get a BETTER supporting cast you will shoot LESS. You said it yourself, he had lots of chances which he didn't take, imagine what he would do when surrounded by Peja. Really, with the addition of Peja do you expect him to average 20 points or something? He will stay near 16 points or so. You can say he is a slightly better scorer but they are equal in every other aspect of the game.BTW, next time try to post something smarter then "Give up".</div>He is averaging more points then Kidd in his rookie year, which is amazing. You cant expect more then 15-20 points for a stellar rookie guard, at the most. He will have alot better year scoring wise. He isa lot better scorer, shooter, he is quicker, better percentages, etc..thats all I feel I need to explain. If you think Kidd is the better scorer, your just a plain bonehead. That is bullsh**. You still get the ball the same amount of times when you are a pg. Youre scoring wont go down unless you let it go down, because you will always have the ball in your hands. Plus, Paul will pass as much, just to better, more trusted teammates. He will still get his 18-20 next year.Slightly? bullsh**. He averaged 17 ppg in his rookie year. Kidd is a vet and he averages 13 ppg on poor shooting. Pure and utter bull sh*t. Stop shitting me.
[quote name='CB4AllStar' post='109801' date='Jul 7 2006, 11:41 PM']He is averaging more points then Kidd in his rookie year, which is amazing. You cant expect more then 15-20 points for a stellar rookie guard, at the most. [/quote]It makes alot of sense to score more when you recently added a 18 point per game scorer to your roster Well DUH, he is a whole lot younger, if you watched Kidd in his Phoenix times you will know he was quick as well. Really your arguement makes no sense, your saying he will score more with better teamates. Unless the Hornets start running like the Suns and averaging 100 points+ per game I highly doubt Paul's points will go up by "alot". You keep saying he is a better scorer, yes genius he is but slightly. Your telling 2 points per game more is ALOT? When he gets BETTER teamates who score MORE that means he won't have to carry all the load on offense, now with the runner up to the MIP award, a great shooter and Cedric Simmons and Hilton Armstrong. Mind looking up his prime stats? Hes been in the league for a long time and his scoring has dropped, alot of times when players like Gary and Zo play past there prime there stats will drop.
Dude, he is a pg. 17 ppg is alot to ask for for a rookie. I think you should be appreciating Paul's numbers more considering he was always very unselfish. He could of scored 20 ppg easy last year, but he chose to play the team game. We are comparing who is the better player now. So yeah, Paul is quicker. I can use that to my argument if I please to. Of course? Why not? He has the ball in his hands all the time, just like always. He's not going to pass more often, just too better teammates. He's still going to get alot of opportunities. Look at Chauncey Billups. He has all the scoring opportunities he could ask for. 2 points is alot better when you are comparing a rookie's performance to a seasoned vet and future hall of famer. He is still going to score points. We're talking about a phenom here, and the #1 option on the team. He will get his shot opportunities. It doenst matter what team you play for if you are the star pg. Oh wow. He scored 18 ppg once in 12 seasons. Paul will top that next year in his 2nd season, and will be a future 24 ppg guy. It is total bullsh** if you are gonna say that they are even at scoring. I already gave you the facts. You're just ignoring them now.
[quote name='CB4AllStar' post='109849' date='Jul 8 2006, 12:18 AM']Dude, he is a pg. 17 ppg is alot to ask for for a rookie. I think you should be appreciating Paul's numbers more considering he was always very unselfish. He could of scored 20 ppg easy last year, but he chose to play the team game.[/quote]Which leads you to believe, if you say he in as unselfish as he is that he will pass more with better teamates, it's only logical. When you don't have a primary scorer on your team besides yourself your bound to take all of the shots. We are? I guess you failed to read my first post. 2 points is nothing really, thats a small margin to be saying someone is a much better scorer. Oh yeah he has the ball all of the time in his hands but you really think him being "unselfish" and all he will score more. #1 option on the team? That will probably belong to Peja. I can see him scoring more but 20 points with his improved roster sounds like a reach. 24 PPG? LMAO. From 16 points to 24 points with a better cast, I can only laugh. Facts? Please show me the facts here because your points are maily opinions.Chris Paul will score more - When you add a #1 scorer he sure won't.Also, you failed to answer my question on who will make a better comparison.
I said a future 24 ppg guy. As in 5 years from now. Kidd has never topped 18. THis is f'ing rediculous. Im noot even going to waste my time debating whether Kidd or Paul is better scoring wise. Just f*cking rediculous...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 8 2006, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd has never topped 18.</div>He actually almost averaged 19 that same season.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>His is f'ing rediculous. Im noot even going to waste my time debating whether Kidd or Paul is better scoring wise. Just f*cking rediculous...</div>Either you can't read or you give up :HAHAHA:
Fine. You want me to continue this worthless debate? It is a waste of time, but whatever..<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Jul 8 2006, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Which leads you to believe, if you say he in as unselfish as he is that he will pass more with better teamates, it's only logical. When you don't have a primary scorer on your team besides yourself your bound to take all of the shots.We are? I guess you failed to read my first post.2 points is nothing really, thats a small margin to be saying someone is a much better scorer. Oh yeah he has the ball all of the time in his hands but you really think him being "unselfish" and all he will score more.#1 option on the team? That will probably belong to Peja. I can see him scoring more but 20 points with his improved roster sounds like a reach.24 PPG? LMAO. From 16 points to 24 points with a better cast, I can only laugh. Facts? Please show me the facts here because your points are maily opinions.Chris Paul will score more - When you add a #1 scorer he sure won't.Also, you failed to answer my question on who will make a better comparison.</div>He wont pass more with better teammates. He will still get the same shots, except next year he wont be a rookie, and he will break out and have an awesome scoring year. Lots of players can still be on good teams as pg'd and score 20 ppg. I'm sure Paul can do it to, being a player of his calibur. It's not like he is going to pass it every time down the court. And yes, Id say he'd be the #1 option as he is the team phenom, pg, and Peja is decclining every year. Paul didnt take all of th shots. He still passed as much as he would on a good team. Thats how he did things, he passed alot. And it worked out for the team because in pre-season they were expected to be the worst team in the League, and they ended up makiing a run for the playoffs. Besides it is unfair to hand a ball to a rookie and tell him to score 20+ ppg. I'm sure Chris could have done it if he wanted to.We are obviously debating who is the better scorer, or atleast is it close? And it is not. I'm just naming the things that Chris has an advantage on. Which is pretty much a christmas list long. Scoring, driving, shooting and the better percentage. Kidd is better at....what? Thankyou. There you go. I honestly feel sorry for you if you are going to continue the debate after this. Because I wont be, ive already said everything I need to say. You are just being ignorant and ignoring everything Ive been saying. Whatever, here goes.Two points is alot actually when we are comparing the scoring average of a rookie to an elite pg. It's actually a remarkable difference for a rookie to score more then a HOF PG, who mind you isnt brittle yet. He's only 32. He should still be able to get the job done. You dont see that too often. And I bet next year the gap will widen even more. I've already explained to you the situation with Peja. And I dont feel like repeating myself just so you will hear it better. It's your own fault if you keep on ignoring things. So you should listen to every word that I am sitting here typing, worthlessly, because I wont type it again. 20 ppg is not a reach. He averaged 17 in his rookie season. Of course he is going to score 18-22 ppg next year.Thankyou, goodbye. (Thats what you wanted, right?).
Wait after reading this whole debate between you guys, CB4 are you saying because Paul is a better scorer than Kidd you can't compare the two but you can compare Isiah and Paul even though Isiah wasn't very good on defense??? That makes no sense at all. No two players will ever be totally similar. BTW if I were you I would start learning to use less opinions and more facts. Heatfan basically owned you in this debate because of that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 8 2006, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait after reading this whole debate between you guys, CB4 are you saying because Paul is a better scorer than Kidd you can't compare the two but you can compare Isiah and Paul even though Isiah wasn't very good on defense??? That makes no sense at all. No two players will ever be totally similar. BTW if I were you I would start learning to use less opinions and more facts. Heatfan basically owned you in this debate because of that.</div>No I made no comparisons. Im just saying Paul is the better scorer, by quite a bit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 7 2006, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No I made no comparisons. Im just saying Paul is the better scorer, by quite a bit.</div>Wow then you and heatfan were debating two completely different things the whole time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 8 2006, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Fine. You want me to continue this worthless debate? It is a waste of time, but whatever..He wont pass more with better teammates. He will still get the same shots, except next year he wont be a rookie, and he will break out and have an awesome scoring year. Lots of players can still be on good teams as pg'd and score 20 ppg. I'm sure Paul can do it to, being a player of his calibur. It's not like he is going to pass it every time down the court. And yes, Id say he'd be the #1 option as he is the team phenom, pg, and Peja is decclining every year. Paul didnt take all of th shots. He still passed as much as he would on a good team. Thats how he did things, he passed alot. And it worked out for the team because in pre-season they were expected to be the worst team in the League, and they ended up makiing a run for the playoffs. Besides it is unfair to hand a ball to a rookie and tell him to score 20+ ppg. I'm sure Chris could have done it if he wanted to.We are obviously debating who is the better scorer, or atleast is it close? And it is not. I'm just naming the things that Chris has an advantage on. Which is pretty much a christmas list long. Scoring, driving, shooting and the better percentage. Kidd is better at....what? Thankyou. There you go. I honestly feel sorry for you if you are going to continue the debate after this. Because I wont be, ive already said everything I need to say. You are just being ignorant and ignoring everything Ive been saying. Whatever, here goes.Two points is alot actually when we are comparing the scoring average of a rookie to an elite pg. It's actually a remarkable difference for a rookie to score more then a HOF PG, who mind you isnt brittle yet. He's only 32. He should still be able to get the job done. You dont see that too often. And I bet next year the gap will widen even more. I've already explained to you the situation with Peja. And I dont feel like repeating myself just so you will hear it better. It's your own fault if you keep on ignoring things. So you should listen to every word that I am sitting here typing, worthlessly, because I wont type it again. 20 ppg is not a reach. He averaged 17 in his rookie season. Of course he is going to score 18-22 ppg next year.Thankyou, goodbye. (Thats what you wanted, right?).</div>You somehow made this to something it's not. We are NOT debating who is the better scorer, we are actually arguing how many points Paul will score next season. Another thing, I don't understand how you round Paul's 16.1 to 17 points, more like 16 points. This is totally pointless because your debating 32 year old Jason Kidd when I CLEARLY stated YOUNGER version of Jason Kidd.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Chris Paul is a younger version of Jason Kidd</div>Just look in the first pageBack to topic, now lets set the points madeaul will score 18-20 points- When you add Peja who even on the decline averages 18.4 points and sign him for that much money you know he will be doing a portion of the scoring. Unless the Hornets are the new run-n-gun Suns.Paul is better offensively- Heres a fact for you, I clearly said younger Jason, younger Jason averaged 18 points per game. Thats a FACT instead of "Paul will average 24 ppg in 5 seasons"And again you fail to answer my question:Who is a better comparison to Paul then?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Jul 7 2006, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You somehow made this to something it's not. We are NOT debating who is the better scorer, we are actually arguing how many points Paul will score next season. Another thing, I don't understand how you round Paul's 16.1 to 17 points, more like 16 points. This is totally pointless because your debating 32 year old Jason Kidd when I CLEARLY stated YOUNGER version of Jason Kidd.Just look in the first pageBack to topic, now lets set the points madeaul will score 18-20 points- When you add Peja who even on the decline averages 18.4 points and sign him for that much money you know he will be doing a portion of the scoring. Unless the Hornets are the new run-n-gun Suns.Paul is better offensively- Heres a fact for you, I clearly said younger Jason, younger Jason averaged 18 points per game. Thats a FACT instead of "Paul will average 24 ppg in 5 seasons"And again you fail to answer my question:Who is a better comparison to Paul then?</div>I still say Isiah is a better comparasin. Sure he may not have been great at defense but both are undersized pg's who are great leaders.
