"I don't want any of my clients playing for Paul Allen"

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  1. Ed O

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    Are you talking about the tampering rules that Brian mentioned, above?

    I don't see how that is applicable to free agents.

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    I don't see how the players can sue the NBA for anti-trust violations. A legal case can be made for just about anything, and an agent declaring that owners will be punished for their stances during a protracted collective bargaining negotiation isn't going to help make the players' case.
     
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    The players can sue for antitrust violations because, in the absence of a union, antitrust law is what's applied. It's very basic.

    I don't know the legal basis for claiming agents can't steer their players towards or away from certain owners. It might be out there (attorneys can be very creative when there's money on the line). I just don't know what it is.

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    There are other options available to basketball players to play professionally. We have many NBA players overseas playing, and other "charity" games in the USA. If the players wanted to, what would stop them from forming a small barnstorming league during the lockout? Anti-trust is going to be a difficult claim for the players when many of them are already admitting, by their actions, that other options exist professionally. In terms of comparision, I think an easier case could be made that the BCS is in violation of federal antitrust laws, considering the lack of other options versus the equity of all NCAA FBS schools.

    I'm not saying that the lawsuit is frivilous at all. It's obviously a negotiating tactic, though, because the NBA players have even less of a case than the NFL players had in terms of good faith negotiations. An NBA attorney should just walk into court with the bylaws of other FIBA-sanctioned professional leagues, show how one-sided those are for the owners, and then introduce the 50/50 proposal they just offered the players.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Translation: We'll sign with whoever throws the most money at us.

    Yawn... same old same old. No player is going to turn down more money to make an "ethical" stand.
     
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    The definition of collusion.

    This thread has been a legal education to all of us, especially Ed O. PapaG, I didn't know you are a lawyer. Update us on your career. Other than message boards, where have you practiced?
     
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    Other than offering up stupid strawmen that have noting to do with negotiations, I'm wondering what your purpose is, jlprk? I mean, you freely admit that you're a sideshow, and I've yet to see you offer anything substantive other than wild accusations toward the owners, that clearly aren't based on the factual proposal made by the owners, and to the players.
     
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    I don't think that any of us are claiming to be antitrust or labor law experts. It seems to me that PapaG has raised some pretty good points (and/or things to chew on) even without a JD. Having food for thought--rather than just answers we are confident are correct--seems to be the best use of this board related to this issue, IMO.

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    PapaG is arguing for the dictionary definition of collusion used for everyday events, and Ed O for the legal definition.

    Obviously, all that matters in this case is the legal definition.
     
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    I never once used the 'dictionary definition' of collusion. As for the 'legal' definition, that's up for the courts to decide. Might want to get those eyes checked out, oldtimer. You're slipping...
     
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    I don't want any of my clients playing for jlprk.
     
    SlyPokerDog, Nov 19, 2011
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    Papa argues with you over the definition of collusion, then you back him up when a 3rd party, me, backs you up.

    This is collusion according to Papa. And now Sly is colluding with both of you colluders. But it's not legal collusion, which was defined by the courts long ago.
     
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    Time for Wheel of Fortune yet, Gramps?
     
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    My colluding can be bought!
     
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