<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh come on dude. Stop sticking up for your favourite player. If AI wanted to win, he would have gotten it done last year. You can tell he just doesnt care sometimes. He didnt even show up for the last game of the season, he doesnt have a good attitude at all. If he wanted to be on a succesful team he would have done something about it, and he would have stopped playing for himself all the time. He hogs the ball alot, and doesnt give into the team philosophy. Look at Kobe even. When Phil Jackson came in with the triangle, he was pissed. He didnt like it at all. But he gave into what Phil said because he wanted one thing only; and that was to win. And this year too, Kobe did what Phil told him to do. Why do you think there are AI rumours going on? Obviously, the team doesnt like his attitude. Thats why all star players are traded. Because obviously they arent traded because they are great players Thankyou. Wanted to get this out.Yeah, I guess Im a moron because I think AI has a bad attitude...</div>that is so god damned ridiculous. You can't question Iverson's heart on the court. I can't believe you can honeslty say that he doesn't care about winning. This is the guy who has been playing through injuries for 10 years. He led a sh*tty team to the finals. He battles night in and night out every year. He didn't play in the last game bc it wasn't worth it. They were out of the playoffs. Paul Pierce did the same thing, do you think he doesn't want to win? It doesn't help when no one on the team plays defense.
You just pulled out more stats. That backs up my point. He plays for stats, not the team philosophy. When I say "getting it done", I mean winning. I mean, Kobe did it with the Lakers. The Sixers have alot more talent then the Lakers. If AI really wanted to win, he would have played the team game more.Why wouldnt I know anything about AI? He plays in the same division as the Raps, so I do see him quite a bit. Alot of non-Raptor Sixers games are on TV so I get to see him play alot. The team has alot of talent, but they cant seem to play a balanced game. Maybe because of Iverson hogging the ball and playing his flashy style.And your acting like you are the Sixers guru here. You live in Calafornia, how many Sixers games do you get to see a year?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 9 2006, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that is so god damned ridiculous. You can't question Iverson's heart on the court. I can't believe you can honeslty say that he doesn't care about winning. This is the guy who has been playing through injuries for 10 years. He led a sh*tty team to the finals. He battles night in and night out every year. He didn't play in the last game bc it wasn't worth it. They were out of the playoffs. Paul Pierce did the same thing, do you think he doesn't want to win? It doesn't help when no one on the team plays defense.</div>Andre Iguodala and Sam Dalembert both play defense.Also, AI is a warrior on the court, but that is getting points for himself not winning games. When he brought the Sixers to the Finals, I agree. That was solely for the team. But the Sixers havnt been succesful lately, and I just see him playing for himself lately.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You just pulled out more stats. That backs up my point. He plays for stats, not the team philosophy. When I say "getting it done", I mean winning. I mean, Kobe did it with the Lakers. The Sixers have alot more talent then the Lakers. If AI really wanted to win, he would have played the team game more.</div>Kobe did not get it done for the Lakers. He got them to the first round of the playoffs. AI got the Sixers deep into the finals.
my brothers favorite team is the sixers, so i see them alot, and what you're saying is just ignorant. This guy wants to win more than probably anyone in the league. He just can't trust his teammates bc they are inconsistent. He did cut down on his shots when Chris Webber came in.cb4 gets bbw's MIP: Most Ignorant Poster.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You just pulled out more stats. That backs up my point. He plays for stats, not the team philosophy. When I say "getting it done", I mean winning. I mean, Kobe did it with the Lakers. The Sixers have alot more talent then the Lakers. If AI really wanted to win, he would have played the team game more.Why wouldnt I know anything about AI? He plays in the same division as the Raps, so I do see him quite a bit. Alot of non-Raptor Sixers games are on TV so I get to see him play alot. The team has alot of talent, but they cant seem to play a balanced game. Maybe because of Iverson hogging the ball and playing his flashy style.And your acting like you are the Sixers guru here. You live in Calafornia, how many Sixers games do you get to see a year?</div>Its called NBA On Demand. I ordered a subscription to that so I can watch every Sixers game on and I did watch most of them. The ones I missed I watch recaps of on SportsCenter. BTW to say AI has a ton of talent is stupid. Yes they have talent but other than Iggy no defensive talent. To say Dalemburt is good on defense is stupid. All he is is a good shotblocker. Everything else is average at best. Defense is half of them game and that is the main reason for their losing record. I can't believe you still think your right after everyone but you knows im right. Your being ignorant. Thats all it is.
CB4 you are a retard. So every player with impressive stats doesn't wanna win or is a ballhog? Just stop now little boy, you have no point. Go play with your Barbie's or something and let us big boys talk about basketball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 9 2006, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my brothers favorite team is the sixers, so i see them alot, and what you're saying is just ignorant. This guy wants to win more than probably anyone in the league. He just can't trust his teammates bc they are inconsistent. He did cut down on his shots when Chris Webber came in.cb4 gets bbw's MIP: Most Ignorant Poster.</div>I agree. cb4 just get out of this thread already. Your just making yourself look even worse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You just pulled out more stats. That backs up my point. He plays for stats, not the team philosophy. When I say "getting it done", I mean winning. I mean, Kobe did it with the Lakers. The Sixers have alot more talent then the Lakers. If AI really wanted to win, he would have played the team game more.</div>What do you consider playing the team game? Stats are helping the team win. So if he scored 0 points a game, 0 assists... but took the team out for ice cream constantly... he would be helping them... by being more team oriented? You don't make sense. To win the game, what do you have to do? Score. And that's what AI does. And 8th in the league in assists isn't ballhogging. I can see if he had stars on his team and they were affected because of him not passing them the ball... however, he doesn't... and he does distribute the ball as much as he should to a team without much talent. He did all he could, they were not a playoff team last year... the team didn't make the playoffs, that's not all AI's fault.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Andre Iguodala and Sam Dalembert both play defense.Also, AI is a warrior on the court, but that is getting points for himself not winning games. When he brought the Sixers to the Finals, I agree. That was solely for the team. But the Sixers havnt been succesful lately, and I just see him playing for himself lately.</div>Samuel Dalembert is a bonehead, and he hardly played towards the end of the year. Iggy's D is overrated. The whole Sixers team goes for steals all the time, so they get scored on alot.And AI has never really changed as a player. If you say he was "for the team" in his finals days, then you have to say he is "for the team" now. He hasn't changed as a player. Unless you can't his assist rate going rapidly up.
I'm not going to bother anymore. It's just my opinion. I think AI plays for himself now. He doesnt give into the team game. Maybe he wants to win, but he sure likes personal success more then because he doesnt play the team game at all anymore. He ball hogs, shoots too much, and doesnt play defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not going to bother anymore. It's just my opinion. I think AI plays for himself now. He doesnt give into the team game. Maybe he wants to win, but he sure likes personal success more then because he doesnt play the team game at all anymore. He ball hogs, shoots too much, and doesnt play defense.</div>He's a warrior. He defies the meaning of "warrior". If he didnt care, he wouldnt fight like he does.
He's a warrior on the court, but that doesnt mean he play for the team. He gets himself points and stuff, but he ball hogs and his team doesnt win anymore..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not going to bother anymore. It's just my opinion. I think AI plays for himself now. He doesnt give into the team game. Maybe he wants to win, but he sure likes personal success more then because he doesnt play the team game at all anymore. He ball hogs, shoots too much, and doesnt play defense.</div>WTF are you talking about??? He's never really played the team game because he's never had a good team around him. Do you not get it??? He hogs the ball to win. He has never had a consistent team around him to play team ball with. BTW if he has ever played a team game its definetly now. You seem to have forgotten that his assists have skyrocketed in the past two seasons.
dammit CB4, your an idiot. This is ridiculous. The guy doesn't play for himself, he plays for his whole team and for the city of philadelphia. Its a shame he has to get criticized like this.
they missed the playoffs ONCE. Just bc he gets good stats doesn't mean he only plays for himself. Paople criticized him of ballhogging, and he has been passing more. But how many real scorers does Philly have? Chris Webber is basically the only other guy that can be counted on daily.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's a warrior on the court, but that doesnt mean he play for the team. He gets himself points and stuff, but he ball hogs and his team doesnt win anymore..</div>Well I'm sure getting 7.4apg was either an accident or he did it just to make his stat line look better, that selfish bastard.
Getting pg doesnt mean he's not a ball hog. When you are the pg and you have the ball in his hands all the time, he's going to get some assists. He is still a ball hog, that shoots too much and passes up teammates alot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting pg doesnt mean he's not a ball hog. When you are the pg and you have the ball in his hands all the time, he's going to get some assists. He is still a ball hog, that shoots too much and passes up teammates alot.</div>Ever think that might be because he's the only consistent scorer on the team...
Thats because the team mates are lazy as hell and are scared to do anything. Samuel Dalembert = lazy. Andre Iguodala = scared as shyt. I feel sorry for Iverson because no one steps it up other than Chris Webber...and he only has one leg...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 9 2006, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ever think that might be because he's the only consistent scorer on the team...</div>Webber and Iguodala can both score 15+ ppg. He has plenty of offensive talent around him.
