Mavs clearing space for Williams

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  1. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Imagine an MM who didn't whine and moan in every single post.

    No, it's no good. I can't.
     
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    Oh and why can't we do the same? Roy's contract can be amnesty'd this summer, just in time for a player like Williams. Also, not signing a player to max MLE would show more sign of testing the free-agent market this summer than a Landry this season.

    Explain to me how not Amnestying Roy pertains to this article? I am patiently waiting.
     
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    Ya, what's up with MM? He must not be getting any at home. MM, you can have my next visit with Mrs. BeerBoy if you want! She's pretty good.
     
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    I don't think I said anything about amnestying Roy in this thread? Not really sure why you brought it up?
     
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    Pretty obvious why I brought it up MM. Especially since you posted how the refusale of the Roy Amnesty retards our future of the franchise. Then you post this gem to troll the very same concept. The funny thing was I posted how Dallas was always considered the team good for the reg season and failed in the playoffs. In fact, they had way more 1st round exits than the Blazers, yet they are now considered the mold of how to make a championship. So I replied we have just as much of an opportunity for saving the Amnesty on Roy for this summer as Dallas to land Williams.
     
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    I guess I am one that doesn't stand for complacency. Nate can't get us close to a title, so fire his ass and bring someone in who might be able to. Roy, even if he is better than last year going forward, will never be the all-NBA player he once was, so why keep him as a max player? Drafting guys over and over that will never see an NBA court is poor business, so why keep doing it? Hiring and firing GM's like they it's a fantasy league makes this franchise a laughing stock, but they continue to do it. These are things that piss me off, and when they change, then I will as well. Drafting Smith was solid, but the moving of Rudy, and what we got in return was asinine. A little love from the Blazers will get a little love from me.

    I want nothing more than for this team to win. I was there at the beginning, and I will always be there as a fan. But as an extremely passionate fan, I get pissed when my favorite team continues to act foolish. That doesn't stop me from buying league pass and staying up til midnight to watch them though, and it doesn;t prevent me from dragging my boys to the game on a school night dressed from head to tow in Blazers gear when they come to Houston, SA, Dallas or NO.

    The real problem is the fans that don't seem to have a fucking clue about things that just want their feel good story so they sleep better or whatever.
     
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    Why do you assume complacency? Isn't it very very possible for a team to have an eye towards the future without having to come out and say it? You seemed to complain about KP a lot also, but he had that eye on the future with his cap space/Paul pipe dream. And all that got us was more whining by you. If we said this, you'd just whine that we were punting on what we had to look towards something else, and how bad it was for our guys to not be concerned about the team this season, blah blah blah.
     
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    Portland, 9 times out of 10, will never attract big name free agents. To have a plan to do so is foolish. For Portland to be successful they need to draft well and add assets to trade for players to put them over the top. Then add role players through MLE and vet minimum
     
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    sounds like what we've been doing.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Good player for Dallas if they can get him.
     
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    Claver, Freeland, Koponen, Sergio, Rudy?


    Larry boy, and or Cho, depending on who you believe, did a fantastic job getting Wallace from the Bobs. But in reality they traded a lottery pick, and two other first rounders to get him. Was he worth it in the long run, or would those picks and a young Bayless have served us better in the long run? I love GW, but that's a tough call
     
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    well, if it's about accumulating assets in a trade, young assets are a definite need. Also, deals that can actually string together a deal are required. That was a big issue last offseason, when everyone was trying to put together packages to get Paul for us, there were three super large contracts, and 10 super small ones, which make finding a deal or putting one together difficult. And no, reality isn't that they traded a lottery pick AND two first rounders. One of those first rounders came for Bayless. So it was bayless and a pick for Wallace. Bayless was then moved shortly after for Jarrett Jack. I'd really like to have him, with roy's injuries. But I prefer Wallace.

    But otherwise, I'd say adding Felton for Miller is acquiring an asset who could be more attractive, to us or another team. Wallace. Wes with the full MLE last season.
     
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    On top of that, we can go into offseason, use amnesty on Roy, and have 25 million or so in cap space, provided Wallace does not exercise his option. So, just as the Mavs have an eye on a move potentially next offseason, could be that we do as well. Front office can very easily look and say hey, no need to add another 5 million full MLE onto the books this offseason, and hurt our chances of adding a free agent, or being able to make a very large lopsided trade to clear salary from someone else looking to get into free agency. No, we won't be a destination for a player. But Say NY wants to try to add Howard and Paul both. Hey, we have space, give us Amare, fine. Very unlikely, but cap space is an asset, whether it is to lure a free agent, or make a trade.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    The trouble is Wallace will almost certainly exercise that option; he could never do better in free agency given his style of play and his age.
     
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    He'd be 30 at the beginning of free agency next season, if he declined his option. Caron Butler is 31, coming off of injuries, and looking at deals larger than the MLE potentially. I think given a healthy season by Wallace, the biggest reason he WOULD opt out is to lock in one last 3-4 year deal for good money, instead of risking playing out that last season, and getting injured. Same reason I would think oden would take a solid offer on an extension now, instead f the risk of having to play out this season.
     
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    Because who is that finals caliber coach that we could have hired but didn't?

    McMillan may not be the very best coach, but he is decent and steady.

    Change for change's sake is usually more disruptive and less likely to work out well than being more patient.
    Cause of this thing called a guaranteed contract. Roy is getting paid by the Blazers whether he earns it or not.
    Because they didn't have roster room and preferred stockpiling talent overseas than doing nothing - which is what some other franchises do. So, it didn't work out. Show me a team that bats 1000 on their drafting.
    I don't think the Blazer's are a laughing stock franchise. Try the Clippers. Or the Hawks. Or the Kings. Or the Wolves.
    It seems your anger is as much about you as it is the Blazers. But, whatever.
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    You have to give them credit, they are trying to fill the most important position with a player that's more than a stop-gap.

    Blazer management are oblivious to the fact.

    Felton, Miller, Blake, Telfair, McInnis, etc...
     

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