I don't flat out reject science, I just disagree with a lot of it. Science is good for a lot of things, explaining certain things is not one of them imo. All of mankind used to believe the earth was flat, of course general consensus holds no weight on what's true or not. I could be the only person on earth who believes in God but that doesn't mean He doesn't exist. My point is, things always change. Where were we 100 years ago? I think it's a legitimate point though. I'd rather live fearing God than to die and figure out He is real. Certain aspects of science reject the Biblical creation stories, yes. But there are many other theories floating around now and throughout history.
Colors are like different frequencies of sound or different timbres from a variety of instruments. You know how a flute can be instantly recognized? Or a strum on a guitar? Those are the reds and the greens. Okay, what next? Want me to explain how eyes could have evolved? I can do that too. Want me to explain why bananas fit so nicely in our hands and peel so easily? Those must have been created by someone right? I agree, they were! they were created by breeders. Have you ever tried red bananas or plantains? They don't peel quite so nicely as the chiquita variety
^westnob, I'll happily come back and finish this little debate later but I have some business to take care of at the moment. Peace
Somebody has to make the gun first, though. Anyhow, we're pretty much not going to agree on this, so I'll bail out on the thread. I'm an agnostic on many things, and I know there is no indisputable proof that either a Heaven exists, or that the Big Bang happened.
You asked where all the elements came from. It all devolves to e=mc^2. It's quite evolutionary in its own right. Within a tiny fraction of a second, energy was converted into hydrogen, the simplest element. Then the stars came into being (gravity) and burned that hydrogen, producing heavier elements. The way you talk about the scientific method is whacked. It doesn't work at all like you suggest. It is the systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypothese. The experiments are designed to test a hypothesis. The results of the experiments are absolutely repeatable, but all they do is reinforce or refute the original hypothesis. In the case of the Big Bang and even Evolution, the hypothese are constantly tested and modified. For example, every time someone claims, "Evolution can't be real because there's a missing link between X and Y species" and people go look for that missing link, it's found. Numerous experiments designed to prove or disprove the Big Bang consistently point to the Big Bang as a real event. You ask about the edge of the universe. There is no edge. If there were, you could stand at it and extend your arm further and THAT would be the new edge of the universe. It's really about the "shape" of the universe. If you don't get it, then maybe you can tell me where the edge of the earth is (there isn't one because it's practically a sphere).
Some did, but they still had NUMEROUS fallacies in their scientific view of how things worked. They just happened to align "enough" that you could navigate by the stars, whether they are celestial mechanics or crystal spheres. That's the point. You can't just trust we have it right because what we observe may just happen to align enough with how it really works (and we don't understand yet).
You don't know what you're talking about. I also didn't ask about the edge of the universe. I was told there was an edge to the universe in this thread. I asked how anybody could know this. Please read up, and stop embarrassing yourself. You run a decent site here, but you're clearly way behind when it comes to actual science. Your explanation on how elements were created is laughable. Why has it stopped? It started with hydrogen, and stopped with Nobelium? Also, your understanding of gaps in evolutionary theory, at least in terms of the origin of life, is hilarious to me. Seriously, you just wrote a long stream of bullshit. I hope you one day can figure out why it's bullshit.
Some theorize there is an edge to the universe, but it's not exactly mainstream thinking. There is an edge, in terms of what we can see. Light travels at the speed of light and we can only see as far as light has traveled since the Big Bang. Another experiment and observation that points to the Big Bang being a sound hypothesis. My explanation of how the elements formed is correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis As to why the rules of physics are the rules of physics, it is just the way it is. There are just 88 naturally occurring elements. There's no law that says there can only be 88, but that's the number we've found and we're not finding any new ones.
Indisputable proof? True, doesn't exist. There is evidence, however, that the big bang happened. There is no evidence that Heaven exists. barfo
I will agree there is no hard proof that heaven does or does not exist. I will concede there is a 1% chance the big bang did not happen.
Wikipedia? Also, there are elements in meteors that aren't earthly in nature. Seems rather egocentric to think that all the universe exists as we know it does on earth, at least in terms of elements.
I'm a little curious where you get the 88 number. Are all of those elements after 88 man-made? I guess that is almost 90, and we only have like 117 or so.
wikipedia is a decent source for explaining things. My classes basically describe it happening that way as well. I'm curious what these non-earthly elements you refer to are. It is a fair assumption that there could be elements that we find unstable but under extreme conditions not found on the surface of our planet. There was some recent discoveries that iron in extreme conditions acts like a state that is not our conventional sense of solid, liquid, gas, or plasma.
88 are the naturally occurring elements. The others are man-made or isotopes with very short half-lives so you wouldn't actually find them in nature. LOL at the earthly in nature comment by PapaG. We can detect with spectrometers elements throughout the universe and can even tell what elements remote stars and planets are made of. If there were some magic 89th element, or some unknown one, we'd detect it and it'd be a really big deal.
