Ill admit Ive never seen Elgin play, but Ive heard that he wasnt that impressive, and that he was scoring in easy ways. And defenders werent good in that era at all. If any modern player went back in time to that era and played then I guarentee he would have posted better numbers then he did at this date. If Shaq went back there, he would have scored more than Wilt. Quote me on that.The 80's/90's was the era with the best defense, so I dont really see your point about MJ getting knocked on his ass if he played in the 60's. He would have been so goddamn dominant if he played in the 60's. I cant even begin to imagine.
It's a common misconception to think basketball in the 1960's was so easy. Trust me, it wasn't. The players then didn't have some of the equiment and the training of today's players, but they were still incredible athletes. Defenders didn't take any crap either, the refs were laidback in those days, and defenders often pushed players around and just muscled them to the floor. Shaq wouldn't dominate them either, he doesn't have an outside game, in those days, playing in the paint was a bi*ch, and most players, including Wilt, tried to avoid it, that's why Wilt had a fallaway. Also, Shaq would be too slow for the game back then, Bill Russell would run laps around him. MJ would have to adapt to the physical play, and develope that jumper, after that he should do just fine. The 1960's were not easy at all, most players today wouldn't be very successful in those days. Maybe you're thinking of the 1940's, when everybody shot set shots, and athleticism was almost unheard of.
I dont believe that at all. NBA players now are A TON quicker and more athletic then they were back then. That is garbage. Defenders werent as good either. Why do you think Wilt scored 50 points a game? Because he was taller then all the other defenders, and the only other really good defender at Center in that time period was Bill Russell. Defenders wouldnt have the quickness that they have today. I was actually watching an early Bob McAdoo game back in like 1974, and I was shocked at how laid back the defenders were. They let Bob take wide open shots, and they let him drive easily. Im not buying that defenses were good back then at all, man.Does Wilt have an incredible outside game? No. Shaq is 7"1 and 330 pounds. He would tell his teammates to get him the f*cking ball, and then he would dunk the ball over those 6"5 defenders heads. I guarentee you that Shaq would have averaged 35+ for his career if he played back then. I guarentee it man. Bill Russell wasnt even that great of an offensive player, so what are you talking about? How did Shaq being slow effect his game anyhow? Exactley.MJ doesnt have a mid range jumper? What on earth are you talking about? Do you live under a rock? Physical play? The defense freaking sucked back then. No Im not. Pretty much any player nowadays would be succesful in the '60's. The defense sucked, the players werent quick, not nearly as skilled. Everything was just way below everything nowadays back then.
No, cb you are wrong. Wilt was an absolute beast. The guy's turarounds were money, he had great post moves, a massive shotblocker and his turaround fingerolls were money.
Yeah except he did it against guys that were 6 or 7 inches shorter then him. That would be like Shaq going up against a guard downlow.
Listen, Wilt would own Shaq. Wilt would walk over to Shaq's mom and say "listen, your son Shaq, he's mine now." Shaq is slow, he lacks fundamental footwork and any type of shooting touch. He wouldn't just dunk over everybody because the teams guarding him would mob him. For a good example of that, check out Wilt's college career. He was literally going up against 4 and sometimes 5 players evertime he got the ball down low.
You make it sound like Shaq is a horrible post player. He wouldnt have averaged near 30 ppg in the 90's if he could only dunk over people. He also has great post moves, and he would be as great as Wilt if he played in the much less talented 60's against much shorter, much less athletic players.And think about Shaq with the Magic in the late 90's days. He was pretty quick back then and he would be getting about 14 rebounds a game, which was unheard of in that era besides maybe Dennis Rodman.I'm not really going to argue about who would be better, because we cant prove it. Im just saying that Shaq would be unbelievable as well if he played in that generation.
Where you are wrong is, when you keep saying the 1960's were untalented and unathletic. That's wrong. The style may have been slightly different, but, by no means were the players bad.
If you think the players back then were as athletic and talented then they are now then you are severely kidding yourself my friend.
It just never ends with you does it? The reason people say things like that is because they don't know enough about what they are talking about.you shouldn't discredit a player like Elgin Baylor. Modern basketball would exist without him and THAT is a fact.
Can I can possibly feel bad for him. He played in the NBA which is something most of us will never got to do, he got paid millions and is sitting at home right now wiping his ass with 20's while the rest of us are probably middle class. This guy played in Los Angeles, got pussy every night, how can I possibly feel bad for the guy...man I think he should feel bad for us...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Aug 11 2006, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's a common misconception to think basketball in the 1960's was so easy. Trust me, it wasn't. The players then didn't have some of the equiment and the training of today's players, but they were still incredible athletes. Defenders didn't take any crap either, the refs were laidback in those days, and defenders often pushed players around and just muscled them to the floor. Shaq wouldn't dominate them either, he doesn't have an outside game, in those days, playing in the paint was a bi*ch, and most players, including Wilt, tried to avoid it, that's why Wilt had a fallaway. Also, Shaq would be too slow for the game back then, Bill Russell would run laps around him. MJ would have to adapt to the physical play, and develope that jumper, after that he should do just fine. The 1960's were not easy at all, most players today wouldn't be very successful in those days. Maybe you're thinking of the 1940's, when everybody shot set shots, and athleticism was almost unheard of.</div>thing is, youre judging this on the shaq of todaywtf was wilt doing at the age of 34? the same thing shaqs doing with the heatwhen shaq was in orlando he was probably one of the best all around athletes of all timeI think Shaq could go back to the 60s and not own wilt 1 on 1, but own the same people wilts owning, and sshaq would own them more then wilt did<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RashadzMcCantz @ Aug 14 2006, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can I can possibly feel bad for him. He played in the NBA which is something most of us will never got to do, he got paid millions and is sitting at home right now wiping his ass with 20's while the rest of us are probably middle class. This guy played in Los Angeles, got pussy every night, how can I possibly feel bad for the guy...man I think he should feel bad for us...</div>i hate when people start sympathy threads for NBA players on a bball forum where we all love this game so much and would play for free, let alone get millions while doing it.
Wilt at the age of 36 had 24 points 29 points. I have this game on dvd and he scared all the knicks players and harassed them and he did this all on a stuffed up handed. A bandanged hand. And he won the Finals mvp.Shaq hasn't even reached 36 and he already is crappier than what wilt was at 36.
Wilt made the All NBA Defensive first team at ages 36 and 37 in 1972 and 1973.Wilt was a great athlete, Shaq wasn't in as good a shape as Wilt was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Aug 14 2006, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It just never ends with you does it? The reason people say things like that is because they don't know enough about what they are talking about.you shouldn't discredit a player like Elgin Baylor. Modern basketball would exist without him and THAT is a fact.</div>Ok, whatever you say man. I think it is pretty obvious, and everyone else would agree with me that the players today are much more athletic, quick, and talented then the players of the 60's.
That's becuase of media coverage. We see todays players so often that we forget the others that came before. We have only seen glimpses of Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Bill Russell, Bob Petit, Bob Cousy, John Havlecek, Sam Jones and others. But, if you take the time to look and see, you will see how great they truly were.
