Nonsense. Nowhere in the laws of Iran is there any such restriction. All countries, not just the 1%ers, have the absolute right to defend themselves. Just because the 1%ers want to control the world doesn't mean their impotent "world court" has any actual jurisdiction over anyone. Nothing but a puppet show.
tell ME again, why the US gets to overthrow elected governments? i can cite numerous examples if youd like and just to be clear, are you saying that if we withdraw all troops and interests from the middle east, you are scared they will still attack us because of our freedom?
And IF I had tits and different plumbing, I would be a girl..just not valid. I makes me a sad panda to see what our towers of higher learning are producing as a collective mindset. To believe that all of this is "our fault" is just not true. Yes, the US has been involved in promoting pro western thinking post liberation from the AXIS powers. No, we were not like the french, Itallians or English, we did not see these areas as our territories, rather we aided in their self government. We supported kingdoms, to presidents to dictators. We are there in response. We did use this as a test bed in the cold war, and bled the Soviet Union Dry. We were asked to help the Afghans. That stated, to believe that our religious leaders pose the same level of threat that theirs do is silly. Hell, they dont like each other, and they hate us. they have thousands of years of tribal/ factional infighting that goes on to this day, and have sworn to erase Isreal as a nation, and to make war on the US and anyone who stands with isreal. Their whole belief system is as alien as you can get from ours, and still be from the same planet. They think it honorable to decieve in action, word and thought. To apply your beliefe system to their situation and expect a rational outcome is nieve.
Why do we have to withdraw interests from the middle east? Are you saying that McDonald's can't sell there, that Halliburton can't drill there, that Blackwater can't be used to train their policemen, etc? I can't buy middle eastern oil anymore, that I have to buy from Venezuela just b/c someone says his interpretation of religion says I can't? To answer the rest of your question, i say "partially." I'm scared that people will then attack for money, or do other stupid shit that impacts our strategic interests. People are not good and nice, and the reason there isn't constant savagery is because a) the grace of God and b) because there are people willing to make sure that bullies don't overrun the rest. What possible history can you cite to say that if left alone, these places would turn into communal utopias?
i couldnt care less what they turn into, utopia or otherwise. why should i? clearly we arent over there to "save their people from oppressive regimes" when you count the fact that we built up these regimes in the first place. the tech and weapons we supplied iraq killed millions of people, then we go over there and kill millions more. go us. but they hate us for the fact that our women can vote? the war machine marches on, leaving a trail of death in its wake, and we are all just along for the ride. and when somebody finally punches back, we act innocent? "what did we do to deserve this!?" and im the naive one?
who are you even talking about? the entire arab world? muslims in general? you cant really be this xenophobic/ bigoted, but i guess fox news can brainwash the eager to fear fairly easily
we are over there to "save people from regimes that we shoud've taken out decades ago, but pussed out on." Yeah. yes, you're the naive one. That, or jaded by misapplied "truths" that somehow the US is the cause for the world's problems. Let me guess...you think that if we didn't sell another dime of "war material" to someone, then there wouldn't be gunfire, bombs, assassinations, rapes, dictators, etc.?
I'll ask again, b/c it doesn't seem to have been answered... Why is it ok for Iran to sign an international treaty that allows it representation and protection in accordance with those parameters, and then when they illegally continue to build up a nuclear weapons program to threaten state-sponsored terrorism and piracy? Does anyone really think that if every US soldier, sailor, airman and Marine went home that Iran would scrap its nuclear weapons program and promise forever unadulterated peaceful access to the gulf?
who cares if there is? wouldnt it then make it easier to control them if we didnt give them the weapons in the first place? i mean seriously we built up saddam and iraq and then attacked them we built up the taliban and then attacked them wouldnt it have been easier just to not build them up in the first place? ahh but we needed to set up pipelines, thats worth a few million lives. the us isnt the cause of the worlds problems by a longshot, but we are the cause of our own, obviously
who the fuck cares? are you planning on vacationing in the gulf with the wife? want to get a speedboat and do some wakeboarding in the straight?
"I'm right and you're wrong." Sorry but that is weak. Your entire argument is the standard neocon xenophobic nonsense. And you gave up on rational debate long ago, by calling me childish instead of responding to my lengthy post. You tapped out already, it is ok to admit that dude. I exposed you as the mindless republican I thought you were, blindly supporting sanctions over good sense. None of your arguments work, Israel can defend itself, smart one. Sounds awesome, don't mind if I do. Your argument is nonsense, so let them "unsign" the treaty then. Why are you so eager to murder millions of people after similar sanctions in Iraq/Korea killed millions? Um no we don't, our foreign policy is extremely unpopular with all of the middle east. Poll after poll shows that, you are simply ignorant. And they wisely hate us. Really, it would be easier to start another war in a country 2.5 times the size of Iraq to get an imaginary nuclear weapon they will never use? That doesn't really make sense. Oh please, you think Iran is going to nuke a country, you are a military freak just like I thought. And yet a good 40% of the population in Israel doesn't even want to go to war with Iran, nor have they ever used a nuclear weapon.
It's naivete to think 1.2 billion muslims are potential terrorists. You are a paranoid schizo, plastic bags and bathtubs kill more Americans than terrorists.
In all seriousness, here's where the naivete (if ever) comes in. If we hadn't have supplied Taliban with weapons, there probably would've been an even greater genocide of Afghan boys in the 80's, and we would've been at the mercy of the Soviets' promises that they wouldn't do things like extort weapons technology for the right to let your oil tanker pass through the strait of HOrmuz without being blown up. We would've been reliant on their ability to maintain international law in disputes. We'd seen for years that they didn't care about that, whereas we've demonstrated for a century that we're a pretty scrupulous country that tries to play by the rules. We're not perfect, but we generally do the right thing. And our strategic role (something I know that many don't care about, but some of us have to) is to make sure that the US and its interests can do whatever they (legally) want to do, wherever in the world it's legal to do it, without having to worry about someone blowing them up or stealing their cargo or firebombing their hotel. It means that the container ship that walmart is using to ship your plasma tv for 599 isn't giong to be impounded and stolen by the Chinese. It means that your gas won't go up to 10/gallon b/c Iran decides that it wants to shut down the strait and extort more money from people. Etc. We built up Saddam as a hedge against Iran's militant West-hating religious leadership. If he hadn't have invaded Kuwait, he might still be dictator there. We didn't do anything to Kim Jung Il or Castro. But invading another country got the UN involved, and we were asked to lead the effort. We gave the Taliban weapons to keep the Soviets occupied. When they started allowing terrorists to have unimpeded access to their land outside of the rule of law, we stopped that. What pipelines have we set up in Afghanistan (or Iraq, for that matter) that are making oil cheaper for us? Who's stealing all of the resources from the literal gold mine the Afghans are sitting on right now?
The only way Iran is going to nuke anyone is if they see it as a last ditch option if they're going to be destroyed. No one wants to set off a world-wide nuclear war, that is endgame for all of us. The results would be catastrophic. It is a bunch of posturing unless things get very, very desperate.
Based on? Also all your paranoia about the Soviet Union ended in failure, their economy collapsed and now we have friendly relations with them. Oh God those dangerous Soviets! Fuck international law. What a pathetic excuse for endless wars. What are the Chinese going to do to our plasma TVs? They're already in massive debt and we owe them money. You fucked up in Iraq, I know. Also you killed a million people in Cuba you apologist. Shut the hell up about international law, that's what lead to the Korean war and other sanctions. We don't care.
I didn't say a single word about 1.2B muslims. I said that bad people all over do bad things, even if you kowtow to them. You keep attacking me, but you don't seem to have anything to say. Bust out some knowledge from your 49-page treatise, bruh. Tell us uneducated military types why, even when every troop was off Saudi soil, bin Laden didn't say "ok everyone, mission accomplished, let's go home and leave them in peace!" Tell me why he then stated that all Muslim societies now had to get rid of secular rulers, and that the jihad would continue until it did. Tell me why America was targeted, instead of all those other countries. Did bin Laden really get off on the interventionist policies of Niger and Bangladesh? I'll wait with bated breath until the next non-answer with paranoid neocon xenophobic schizo comes out, bruh.
LOL! You really don't want to shift over to the Korean war. You're getting your ass handed to you on a topic you wrote 49 pages on, and now you want to ramble over into my neck of the woods b/c you don't care about international law. Fabulous. You're right...what the hell does international law have to do with foreign policy?
