Hey buddy you might want to address the rest of that post. Also "OMG I AM KICKING YOUR ASS" is not a very wise retort, try again.
"Why do we have to withdraw interests from the middle east? Are you saying that McDonald's can't sell there, that Halliburton can't drill there, that Blackwater can't be used to train their policemen, etc? I can't buy middle eastern oil anymore, that I have to buy from Venezuela just b/c someone says his interpretation of religion says I can't? To answer the rest of your question, i say "partially." I'm scared that people will then attack for money, or do other stupid shit that impacts our strategic interests. People are not good and nice, and the reason there isn't constant savagery is because a) the grace of God and b) because there are people willing to make sure that bullies don't overrun the rest. What possible history can you cite to say that if left alone, these places would turn into communal utopias? " Does Niger and Bangladesh have 300,000 troops around the world? Didn't you start a war in Afghanistan genius? Lol wtf are you talking about, why is he going to call off a war at that point? Also I am fine with his execution. Tell me why America propped up dictators in Saudi Arabia against the will of their people? Tell me why Sri Lanka has more terrorists than Iran and Sudan which are more radical muslim nations? Why do you keep getting knocked the fuck out in Egypt after decades of intervention? They don't want secular leaders in the Middle East, big surprise.
I stand by all that. Where does that say anything about 1.2B muslims? I think the actual quote was "bad people all over do bad things." Not "bad muslims" or "bad black people" or "bad non-Christians"... Nope. But I also submit that there isn't a single base anywhere where the country doesn't want us there. Even Futenma on Okinawa, where I was stationed while people protested, want us off the base b/c they want the valuable land. But they don't want to pay for it. So tell me again...why is it that the US is targeted but those others aren't? There aren't muslim shrines in Korea, Japan, Kosovo or Italy, iirc. What little I know of Saudi history (and I'd be happy to listen to you explain it to me) is that the House of Saud has been ruling since taking Riyadh in like 1900, and the attempted coups in the 70's were by fringe groups that said not to sell oil to the US. Are there large-scale protests (like the ones in Tehran after the rigged election) about the Royal Family going away? Even the ones who would like to see the monarchy go away seem to be because of the lavishness of the lifestyle of the royal family, rather than their relations with the US. I don't know much about Sri Lanka, but I do know a bit about Sudan. Are you saying that genocide's ok, as long as it's not politicized? Sudan is a place where people are raped to breed Arab blood into the natives. They've been practicing apartheid there for 20 years. The people don't want a muslim government there. And as a fun fact...Amnesty International reported that Chinese and Russians were supplying the Janjaweed forces with weapons against the UN embargo. Who's "you"? I don't know what you're talking about here. Again, who's "they?" The populace? The mullahs? The military? Terrorists?
But the question is, does MENA care what you think? This looks like a resounding "no". http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/zogby-obama-iran-popularity/2011/07/26/id/404933 Looks like they're giving you the finger Brian. By "them", I'm referring to regular people. So you can stop pretending it is just Middle Eastern governments that despise you. Right I forgot to mention, you love intervening in all countries not just muslim ones. Sorry but Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Morocco, and Saudi Arabians hate us. I have the polls right in front of me that show their disgust for our foreign policy (not our "freedom"). You can argue till the end of time and these polls will always show that they abhor us. There are some places where we are more liked. But why can't Japan pay for their own military? The argument looks weak to me. Saudi Arabia is probably the most brutally run country in the entire region (which is why their people hate us). You'd be better off being a woman in Iran. Also half of all Suicide bombers come out of Saudi Arabia. Woops. Shortly before World War 1, after the Collapse of the Ottoman empire, Europe rushed in and tried to colonize MENA. Britain and France mostly with a dash of Italy. The US didn't start to intervene until after World War II. In the 1960's Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Israel became part of the US's 3 Pillar strategy. This meant that Saudi Arabia was supposed to "police" the region, among other things. The Oil shock of 1973 was not a big deal either, market equilibrium took care of that. Protests are lite in SA even though Iran is more free in various instances. The National Guard in Saudi Arabia is Sunni, meaning that they will fire upon Shia protestors (unlike the security agencies in Egypt and Tunisia). Also Wahhabi and Liberal protestors argue with each other so demonstrations are not as organized. Their neighbor, Bahrain, is getting protested heavily though. Military intervention does work, sometimes, but the government has a tendency to fuck it up. For example in Rwanda we could have easily intervened and saved the lives of 800,000 people. But we also intervene in a bunch of superfluous shit that ends up blowing up in our face. Let the private sector handle it (you can donate to Darfur charities), don't put a gun to my head and make me support random killing sprees. The reality of "embargos". China and Russia don't give a fuck nor should they. See above. Not only do they all dislike you, your wars have no end and everyone can be considered a terrorist. Stop pointing a gun at my head and making me pay for murder, well-intentioned or not.
We are bound by treaties to use our Military overseas at times. I have no issue with fulfilling NATO or UN or other obligations. My issues are that we shouldn't be sending far more troops than the other countries combined. And we shouldn't enforce UN resolutions or push for combat under the guise of some treaty organization.
What possible history can you cite to say that our intervention in these places has turned them into communal utopias?
Saddam was brought to justice by his people, under their law and court system. Not ours. There's one example. You can debate whether thousands of our troops' lives and billions of dollars was worth it, but we DO make the world a better place.
Iraq is NOT a better place today than it was under Saddam. It is a pile of radioactive rubble at the mercy of handouts from the US. They have no representative government, no "leader" of any consequence, no military defensive capabilities of their own, and we have destroyed the infrastructure that it took them half a century to build. They are more divided than ever before as a people and nearly every citizen had family members murdered by our bombs and soldiers. As for "worth it"? Our soldiers are paid well to kill strangers and I assume happy to accept the risk for the pay. Their choice entirely. But it was not worth the mass murder of 200,000-500,000 civilians, angering 1.2 billion muslims, and leaving the US in a more vulnerable state than before we invaded.
Pick a link, any link: http://www.google.com/search?source...q worse off now&gs_upl=0l0l0l6485lllllllllll0
I read the thread's last 2 posts. Since everyone on Earth except a couple of people in the American military thinks the Iraq War was evil, I'll save my breath.
I knew this would not be too hard to make a point of I claim that the collective vaule system is 180 from what you try to apply to the entire reigon You follow up with your quote above Look at what has happened only from the inception of this post Iran says several times that it will do bad things then they say they want talks for good things then they say they will be good in the straight then they say they want peace love and fuzzy bunnies then they test fire missles in the straight and claim they will do bad things again In the mean time obummer reaches out to al queeda again and claims of warm friendship abound rinse and repete al queeda joins with the taliban to try and persduade the Pakies to fight AGINST us The Packies are just more of the same say one thing till they have what they want then do another I have had actual dealings with drinks with and so on, my opinion does not come spoonfed, these guys are not like us what so ever Here is an idea, and its totally safe, go to the nearest university, befriend a student form anywhere in the reigon, remember these students are the most pro western of the population. Spend some time have a few drinks and pry, your view will change
I guess I should not expect much more than a personal slam..lemme try one on for size.. clearly you have been banging your head on your moms headbord while you fuck yourself obtuce with mindless left wing public opinion...
I counted 10 inaccuracies/lies in that post, not including the bias you have toward people who do things you cannot at your behest. The question becomes, what in your twisted worldview makes it an agenda point to keep parroting these lies and inaccuracies? What possible good outcome can come from you saying things like "1.2 billion people hate us" and "hundreds of thousands of civilians killed?" Do you think that by parroting those lies ad nauseum something's going to happen that you agree with? And there's no "choice," involved, unless it's the "choice" of people in LaPine to vote for people who vote to continue sending reservists and National Guardsmen halfway around the world. How vulnerable are you, Maris? And what metric are you using to say we're "more vulnerable" than before? And how does that coalesce with your naive view of what isolationism/demilitarization would provide?
Haven't even read the rest of your post yet but STOP THROWING THIS LIE INTO YOUR REPLIES. I have told you several times I do not support US military involvement in other countries, the killing of people in those countries, or the empire building and corporate profiteering these crimes are committed for. Quit trying to ease your conscience by blaming me for your actions. And quit thinking there's something special about killing strangers. Any 13 year-old gangbanger can do it. What's a lot more difficult, and carries more honor, is living your entire life without killing anyone.
its ok little fella, you dont need to be scared of brown people, they arent going to steal your girlfriend
